Monza current situation

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Reca
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I already said previously that also IMO the petition is useless as far as the judge decision goes, but the fact that, together with many letters pro Autodromo from citizens, also living near the track, it received good coverage in newspapers is a different thing. Politicians read newspapers, especially near elections... Maybe it didn’t a lot, but was just that little bit more, you know, a dollar without the last cent is just 99 cents. ;-)

zac510
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Reca, I read on another forum that the LMS series event at Monza has been cancelled. From reading your post on Page 3 is it safe to say this isn't true?

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AFAIK LMS (1000 km) is cancelled actually, I believe I mentioned it in a previous post somewhere.
According to what I read on magazines, in Istanbul they will announce which track will replace Monza.

At the moment it looks like there are still residual possibilities for Intereuropa cup in May and Gp Masters in June, but I’m not optimist about them, actually I was already convinced both were definitively cancelled.

Furthermore, according to the today issue of Monza’s newspaper “Il Cittadino” the situation is more delicate that I thought based on reports I read Tuesday on another local newspaper.
There were races this Sunday (March 26th) and families denounced Sias, Monza and Milano municipalities for violation of the judge decision, obviously Sias etc have different view and they are sure they respected ordinance. I don’t know which categories raced, I saw no reports on magazines and I wasn’t there.
Anyway in the last few days there was a total stop of negotiations.

As for the decree of regional government I mentioned in the other post, it will be discussed April 11th. Monza’s mayor actually judges that decree excessive, for him the best way is still to reach an agreement based on anti noise barriers and a better selection of events.

Meanwhile, today, there will be the hearing in court at Milano. Let’s wait and see.

zac510
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Darn, I would like to see a LMS race this year. I suppose it will be Donnington or Spa.

I'm not familiar with Intereuropa cup, but surely GP Masters is something that they could chuck a couple of mufflers on, for the sake of racing at Monza.

It could set a precedent we don't want to see.

Reca
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Rapid update. I just discovered that yesterday regional government approved the extension of the national law also to disputes between private citizens. I don’t know much more at the moment but that should, theoretically (with judges one never knows), solve the problems, Monza should have the 37 “no limit” days, just like before.
More details to come, more likely tomorrow.

manchild
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Would Monza have better chances under Prodi than Berlusconi?

Reca
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Few updates on local newspaper, the law passed easily even if only thanks to majority, part of the opposition didn’t vote, while greens and communists voted no.
The families’ lawyer said that that law isn’t going to change the judge ruling, while Monza’s mayor Faglia auspicates the application of noise reduction measures anyway.
Meanwhile first results of the Arpa noise measurement became available, only one car was over the limit of 110 dB (at the exhaust), but it was a problem with the car rapidly solved, while the noise level in the complainers’ house, even at the highest peak, was under 65 dB (law limit 70 dB).

About that there’s a thing that I consider quite interesting and is a further proof, IMO, that the real motivations of this whole story have little to do with noise and lot more with the usual anti-track campaign.
On last week issue of the local newspaper there was a little article with quotes from the families, again, complaining about the noise during the WTCC races held the previous Sunday. They said : “We had an infernal weekend, we don’t have data but our ears are now sensible enough to measure the noise level and we can definitively say it was over the limit”.
Well, even without considering the fact that measurement show it was well under limit, I can add my personal experience, I was on the Roggia grandstand for both the WTCC races and even the first lap, hence with 30+ cars arriving together, I was able to hear them only in a radius of 150 m more or less, from Roggia braking point till Lesmo entrance and even while cars were passing in front of me, distance 20-25 m, I was able to talk, normally, with people around me without problems. If that’s what they think is an infernal noise I believe there’s no place in this world they would consider quiet enough.

At the moment I don’t know the date of the be next hearing with the judge, I think we have to wait for that to know if the law is enough or if the saga continues.
manchild wrote: Would Monza have better chances under Prodi than Berlusconi?
Well, difficult to give a precise answer. People against Autodromo are greens, obviously, and the extreme left and in fact, as I said, they voted against the law. They are part, small part, of the Prodi’s coalition hence now part of the national majority, but I doubt that that’s going to make a difference, national government has bigger problems to think about for the next years. Autodromo is more a local issue and the majority in regional government is definitively pro Autodromo.

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Reca, what is the general feeling in Italy over this matter? Are there any politicians actually speaking up in favour of keeping the track or does everyone want rid?
On a side note, I found it quite ironic that the richest man in Italy faced the strongest opposition to his premiership because of his poor economic record. :D

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Sorry to go offtopic a little but I have been thinking (no, seriously) that perhaps we are too fond of our older circuits. I mean look at Istanbul. Why can't we give the new guys a chance to prove they can put on a good show, then 18 or less races a year, alternating between the best each year, with the very best 6 (voted by the drivers, not the FIA) on every year?
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ketanpaul
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maybe you are right Tom, We have a certain type of bonding with some classics and maybe that makes us blind to the newer cicuits. Even the new circuits have some really good corners (turn 13 or something at istanbul and turn 1 at china) we just keep admiring stuff like parabolica or 130R.

manchild
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This has nothing to do with technicalities but with human emotions. Why change something that is good, popular, mythical and colorful with something that is fake with no emotion and meaning built up just to make money? French, British, Italian, Belgian and Monaco GP are the core of racing and I don’t mind f1 expanding as much as possible but without moving any of them.

Monza must be held because northern Italy gave us FIAT, Bugatti, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, De Tomaso, Abarth... What is contribution of Turkey or Bahrain to motorsport in the previous 100 years? Track can be build anywhere and so can Eiffel tower but only place where it will have meaning is Paris and nowhere else. "Money can't buy me love" and I think that goes for F1 too. Money can't buy popularity of circuit among fans and drivers and I hope it will stay like that.
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sad to say.. f1 is all bout money and commercial value. motorracing originated in europe and therefore the classic tracks will always be special to our hearts. the thing is with eu having the ban on cigarrette advertising, and new markets opening in asia, there is more value for sponsors and teams to have races outside europe. i think thats the way of the future. i still think the bulk of the races will be in europe because of the manufactures being based there. and f1 being an international sport i think its only fair to have more races in other continents for the benefit of the fans..

Reca
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For the argument about historical tracks vs new ones, I think it’s opportune for me to not participate in the debate, I’m under impression I could be a bit biased... I’d just like to write this quote to see if you are able to tell who said it last November when this whole saga started :

“they don’t want us because of the noise ? Well, not a problem, there are plenty of countries waiting for us.“
Scuderia_Russ wrote: Reca, what is the general feeling in Italy over this matter? Are there any politicians actually speaking up in favour of keeping the track or does everyone want rid?
Politicians didn’t express opinions about the case until just few weeks ago when the mayor went to speak with families and the law was proposed, but we are still talking at regional level, not national, and I think it had more to do with elections coming hence the typical “I’ll give you the moon if you vote me” than with anything else so I would take their comments carefully. The Autodromo problems were hardly on headlines till Malaysia Gp when the director Enrico Ferrari went on tv after the race to explain the situation. But even then the question was only on magazines specialized on motorsport, not on general ones and only on local news on tv, not national ones.

As for Berlusconi, don’t get me started about him... or about Prodi for that matter... the day I’ll be able to go to the poll station thinking “I want to vote this one because I trust him” instead of the usual “I have to vote this one because the other one is even worse”, I’ll be an happy man... Probably asking too much.