HRT F111 Cosworth

[raymondu999]

You mean including the fact that Liuzzi is an F1 veteran and this is Jerome's first attempt in qualifying pressure?

[cbbcisace]

But in 2 different cars in set up and testing....

[ecapox]

Good thing that F1 is the "Pinnacle of Motorsports". Maybe HRT is doing this on purpose. Maybe they really DO have 2 cars ready and are just pretending to be a garbage team that isnt even up to GP2 standards. Maybe.

2011 Predictions for HRT.

-Will not get 2 cars for Quali 1
-Will not take part in race due to 107% rule CONFIRMED
-Will not race after Australia

=D>

So it is official. they cant race tomorrow. So, anyone want to start betting how long it is until they announce they are done for the season??

One car did about 4 laps and the other did just 1. And the Speed TV Commenters talked about how they were even slower than GP2 cars. A complete joke.

[nacho]

Good showing with so few laps and the old wing, at next race I expect them to outqualify Virgin... if they get their new front wing and make it to the next race and are able to run in FPs... a lot of ifs with this car and team.

[dice782]

Clearly the car is capable of much more than that, If HRT don’t show any eagerness in the next GP if they are not the first ones out in FP1 Malaysia then I am afraid they will be finished. I really want them to succeed but you can’t hide from the truth.

[donskar]

Good showing with so few laps and the old wing, at next race I expect them to outqualify Virgin... if they get their new front wing and make it to the next race and are able to run in FPs... a lot of ifs with this car and team.

"Good showing"? Here I am at work at 0745 wishing I had some of your drugs. Do you think any potential sponsors will be opening their wallets on the basis of this "good showing"?

From autosport.com:

HRT lodged a request with the FIA to be allowed to take part because of 'exceptional circumstances'.

Yes, exceptionally incompetent.

[nacho]

"Good showing"? Here I am at work at 0745 wishing I had some of your drugs. Do you think any potential sponsors will be opening their wallets on the basis of this "good showing"?

Yes, exceptionally incompetent.

But this is the car thread, for the car it was a good showing.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Nobody here is saying HRT were good, or fast or anything like that. So I don't understand why anyone is banging on about how wrong people are when they say things like "Good showing with so few laps"

The fact remains that they cannot run their complete package due to a failed crash test (or so we are told), they still got two cars out for the practice and quali sessions.

You mean including the fact that Liuzzi is an F1 veteran and this is Jerome's first attempt in qualifying pressure?

Yes actually, Jerome had completed over 210 laps of testing in this virgin car, and and Virgin as a team probably completed somewhere in the regeon of double that. Yes it was his first ever taste of qualifying, so lets look at Timo Glock who doesn't have that problem. Glock set a time of 1:29.858. Liuzzi (who has - I'm guessing - similar levels of experienc in F1) set a time a whopping 3.1 seconds slower at 1:32.978.

Now nobody here is going to argue 3seconds slower than an already slow Virgin acing F1 car is good. BUT considering the fact that up until this race they had done NOT A SINGLE LAP of testing that is actually a pretty good showing. Then consider the fact they have a slightly compromised package by using their old wing.

If anyone would like more evidence to suggest this was a surprisingly good showing:
Mercedes: (I'll use them as an example as I only have access to fastest times from tests and Vettel for example completed 93 laps on the first day of testing thus making an unfair comparison.) Nico Rosberg only completed 9 las. So we can look at this. His fastest time was 1.19.930. By day 3 that Mercedes - in the hands of Michael - was lapping at 1:14.537.

Now I'm not saying that Mercedes were going for absolute pace on that first day (as HRT were in quali) BUT it shows that pace is there to be found as they start to understand the car.

Yes, the organisation of the tea is a complete joke, but who knows? Given 3 races who's to say the potential pace of that car is not in fact better than the Virgin car. Then which team are the mugs? The ones that built a car on time but then couldn't do anything with it? Or the ones who couldn't finish the thing on time but kept working and got a car that was NOT the slowest in the pack (which would therefore be a step in the right direction for HRT over last year).

And before we criticise them for not having the cars ready - Ferrari didn't introdoce their 2003 challenger until (I think) the 3rd race that year, choosing instead to start with the F2002.

I'm NOT saying HRT have done "well" or "good" or indeed that my hypothetical scenario above will plan out (for all I know the thing could be a complete dog of a car and wont improve at all lol). What I am saying is: GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES they might just be vindicated.

I for one like the minnows, nobody complained when Minardi failed to meet the 107% rule (which did happen on occasion) and nobody really complained much about the Super Aguri team, who actually became quite liked IIRC (despite their 4year old basic tub!!!!)

All I'm saying is: Given them a break. More teams is good for F1. You need Minnows, its something F1 has always had, and started to loose at the turn of the century.

[zgred]

[bot6]

I hope they get to start the race. They probably won't finish it, but they need the track time and it will help them make the 107% next race.

HRT are having a hard time at the moment, and I guess I see why some people might think their chances of success are slim.

But why rejoice in such a fact? I think it's a shame to be happy about anybody's demise, and a small team with very little money fighting for survival brings something to F1, as far as storylines go. Not all teams have to be Red Bull or Ferrari. Other stories can be just as interesting, so I hope HRT gets to stick around.

I think they can give Virgin a run for their money later on this year...

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I agree with most of what you say bot6, about the demise etc, its not nice to revell in somebody's struggle. That is NOT what sport is about.

However, I don't want them to race. The were outside of the 107% rule, and the fact they cocked up and failed to get the car ready ontime is, for me, not an acceptable use of the "exceptional circumstances" loophole.

I wish them well, but they shouldn't race, the rules are clear. As much as I want them to do well, they have made a spectacular cock up and shaking down an F1 car at the first quali session is a joke.

[ESPImperium]

Its a tidy enough looking car, don't get me wrong. However i guess this is all a rush for them again this year as they were trying to get the F110 into the 2011 season, but it was failing crash tests and didn't have the new side intrusion panels on it so could not race. I suppose this is al the efforts of trying to get a car designed, built, tested and baselined in less than 100 days. Its been done before, but not to these rule changes.

I can see Hispania using tomorrows time to work on their cars further, get their engineers and technicians to work on the cars as much as they can before packing the cars up ready for Malaysia. They need to get the cars built up properly, make Sepang their first port of call for the 2011 season.

[wesley123]

These texts on the car with 'this could be you' suddenly became very funny and ironic, that is for sure.

But this was just ridiculous, they where 9 seconds slower then the fastest car, 2 seconds slower then the virgin who was slow too. And Karthikeyan being almost 2 seconds slower then its team mate, just ridiculous

I hope this team goes bankrupt soon, and if not i hope the FIA takes away their license, these guys are just ridiculous.

[Figure8]

These texts on the car with 'this could be you' suddenly became very funny and ironic, that is for sure.

But this was just ridiculous, they where 9 seconds slower then the fastest car, 2 seconds slower then the virgin who was slow too. And Karthikeyan being almost 2 seconds slower then its team mate, just ridiculous

I hope this team goes bankrupt soon, and if not i hope the FIA takes away their license, these guys are just ridiculous.

Why hope for that? - People losing their jobs with families, mortgages to pay and so on, why can't you just hope they get a quicker car.

[wesley123]

because they simply wont. I indeed feel sorry for the people losing their jobs, for the team i do not.

If they wnt to built a better car they need a few things;
Money, not available to them, they just have ebough to get two cars running for the season
Facilities, they do not have these either, at least not enough.
Drivers, they have a driver who pays around 25 million for his seat who is barely fit enough to drive a race and one who cannot even look realistic enough saying that they can aim for points.

To actually built a good car you need the money, money comes from sponsors and no one actually is stupid enough to do so. You are sponsoring a team that shakes down their car at an grand prix, a car that barely drives at all and two drivers who both are not F1 worthy, as an sponsor i'd rather have no advertisement than bad advertisement. No company wants to be associated by such an unprofessional effort run by guys who cannot be trusted and actually look like morons, the only good part of the team is Paul White and Geoff Willis who actually took the effort to get a car designed for this year.