HRT F111 Cosworth

[marcush.]

again,I would like to differ here in the most polite way,bot.
As you sure know ALL OEMs do their prototype bodywork today in CF and the tolerance in dimension for the master just has to be right.It´s not only the shapes it is precision in all axis that is demanded.So if this was a real big one for a Carbon fibre specialist I ´m sure it would not be done that ways.
If there is the need to put panels into an autaclave remains up to discussion ,I´d say no why should you .But of course the processing/process and even oven design and of course layup (fibre orientation,reinforcements ,resin accumulation etc )will still demand a lot of experience and you are likely to improve with time...even on the same mold I´m pretty sure part no 1 coming out of it is not the ultimate.

[bot6]

You know what Marcush? I don't think we really disagree that much at all.

Getting back to the car itself, the new front wing should be there for the next race, that was announced by the team last week. Have you guys heard of any other upgrades that might be coming up? They have talked about an aero package upgrade so there might be more goodies coming to get the car ahead of the Virgin.

I'm expecting a bit more refinement on the bargeboards, maybe not for the next race but once racing returns to Europe. And maybe a rear wing upgrade with the small upper flap like most other teams have now.

[ESPImperium]

Id expect to se Hispania to bring its new nose box to Sepang, as the V1 nosebox that failed the crash test seemingly failed by a small amount that makes what Sauber got thrown out of Oz for look like a massive amount.

Seemingly their front wing that they had for the launch has also been updated as well and also will be with the team in Sepang as there was the four V2 wing and nosebox units that would have been used in Oz didn't get shipped as the weight was too much for the air carrier have now been shipped and will be on the cars as they have passed the crash tests.

Id also expect to see the F111s to gain time hand over fist.

The F111 is a really a good looking car, second nicest on the grid behind the T128 i think. I also expect to see it whip Virgins ass from China onwards.

[cbbcisace]

So with the new front nose and wing, i expect the car to have much more front grip.

Its a beautiful looking car, it just needs some sponsors to on the side pods and wing.

[JGomezH]

Since the "virtual" presentation, team owner is speaking about an F111-B car for Barcelona/Monaco GP.

[ESPImperium]

B Specs are illegal, what i think he is referring to is the update that Kolles and Willis have been talking about since the proper launch at Barcelona.

[bot6]

It all depends what you mean by b spec. As long as the crash structures (tub, side, rear and nose) are the same, along with the engine and gearbox, the rest can be modified right? So a completely new aero/suspension package is possible...

[ESPImperium]

New aero, yup, engine cover, floor and wings.

New suspension, harder for Hispania with the Williams LG14 gearbox as they are also using the Williams 2010 suspension as well. As for front suspension, thats harder as you would have to change the pickup points for it if you were to go with a brand new suspension.

The following areas must remain the same for all the season; Nosebox, Side Impact structures, Rear Impact structure and Chassis/Survival Cell/Tub.

Teams can change the air box and T Tray area at present, but seemingly for 2012 theese will also be hologated and crash tested. The T Tray to try and prevent flexi floors and the air box for Webber/Kova style accedents, and also for accedent that brought out the final SC at Monaco last year where Trulli climed over the Hispania of Chandhok and destroyed the air box.

Id recon the F111 will see 2 upgrades this season, one Barca/Monaco the other in Hungary. Then they can concentrate on the 2012 car.

[aral]

It says a lot about the state of the team, when a B spec car is required, even before one racing lap of the A spec car has been completed. If the B spec fails to qualify at Sepang, will we then see a C spec?

[bot6]

gilgen -> it says a lot about the state of a team, when they are able to plan upgrades for their car, even before one racing lap of the A spec car has been completed.

You see, this can be seen in different ways. So it doesn't say anything really except something is going to change on the car. Right?

[ESPImperium]

It says a lot about the state of the team, when a B spec car is required, even before one racing lap of the A spec car has been completed. If the B spec fails to qualify at Sepang, will we then see a C spec?

The big teams also work in this way.

Often V1 isnt V1, its more like V1.9.8 for a car for launch day, and for the shakedown its most probably in V2.1 in some respects.

Last year Dallara had the plan to make V1 for launch, V1.5 for last test with V2 for Malasia and V3 for Barcelona, the guys at Dallara (According to Racecar Engineering) could have made the F110 up to 2 seconds faster with aero tweaks and with the 1.5-2.2 seconds they made with setup understanding the F110 could have beaten the Lotus T127 and even been on thr Toro Rossos transmission at the end of the season. But alas, Hispania split from Dallara and only made 3 tweaks to the areo all year, the wing mirrors, a front wing element change and the rear wing gurney flap alteration.

[PlatinumZealot]

Logically The B-spec would not be released at Sepang. Remember you have to test the A-spec first before you do the B-spec. HRT didn't get to test any at all so it would be foolish to introduce a B-spec before Monaco or thereabouts.

[bot6]

Their aero upgrade is apparently planned for the return to Europe, which is fairly logical. I think all the teams will have major upgrades at that point... it's just easier to bring the new parts to a track closer to home...

[marcush.]

Will they be allowed to use the new nosecone this season?
they have had the 2010 nose going through scrutineering on their 2011 package so they would have two entirely different(?)nosecones/crashboxes in one season...and that´s not allowed...I think they have to race the Dallara nose now and need to redo their front wing mounting ?

[bot6]

Apparently they validated the new 2011 nose (the launch spec one) and will use it this weekend. So since they raced the 2010 one last weekend, it must be allowed to use several different ones in one season.

A new nose might have to be homologated (meaning must pass the rules and the crash test) but it's not like a tub where only one new design homologation is allowed per season. Actually, I'm not even sure that this rule still applies from last year, so I'll go check in the regulations...