Will Michael Schumacher kill himself?

[dumrick]

This thread is not stupid, it arises from the declarations of Stewart, who knows for sure what he is saying. I really hope MS doesn't get hurt in any way, as much as any other human being...

Now to the MS/Senna issue: I don't think there is a comparison, Senna was a dirty driver when it came down to get what he thought was is place in a race and did too many stupid moves on other drivers along his carreer. The move in the first corner of Suzuka (1991?) against Prost was an homicidal move, completely unacceptable in modern racing, given the approach speed to that turn and the way he just rammed the car against the Ferrari's rear. Same example the same year in Hungary against Naninni to get a podium finish, if I recall correctly... of course that came from a kind of personality disorder that Senna had, that involved statements like seeing God while driving or that it was written that he would be the best.

Schumy doesn't have the same kind of disturbed behaviour, fortunately. His moves on Hill and JV looked more like despair to see titles run away in smoke (and he didn't have at the time that many...). Illegal, of course, but in places where they wouldn't get hurt almost 100% sure.
These days it shows that he has a lot of pressure on him to perform and that he is disappointed because of the lack of pace of his car. But the reasons that gave Ferrari and Bridgestone their dominance (focus on one driver and team, respectively) are the same that make, in the long term, the development suffer...

[manchild]

Can't we talk about Schuey's career without bringing Senna into it? Senna had nothing to do with Schuey's moves so lets leave the great man out of it.

[West]

Tom: with the Suzuka First Curve incident, Senna won the Driver's Championship.

[manchild]

With Suzuka chichane accident Prost won the Driver's Championship (previous season).

[West]

My point is... Schumacher did not deliberately run into JV IN AN ATTEMPT TO KILL HIM. Reca is making a point that you hate Schumacher for the things he does to win championships, while you celebrate Senna, and consider his driving a-ok. This is the reason why the whole MS/Senna thing started.

The Casio Triangle incident is nothing compared to the Suzuka First Curve incident. The difference is nearly 100-150 kph. You think that isn't a dirty way to win a championship? I could care less that Senna issued a warning the day before or whatever. He did not even think of anybody's safety at that point. Yet when MS turns into JV at a corner much slower than at Suzuka, it's attempted murder.

I never really celebrated either driver, although when Ferrari was losing to McLaren I wanted MS to win. Yes the things he does sometimes isn't great, but to say he attempted to murder JV, without looking at what Senna did, is ridiculous.

[manchild]

I've said what I had to say about Schuey many times before...

I only dislike using Senna as the mean to explain or justify Shumacher's moves. Senna died months before Schumacher started his controversy and I find it inappropriate to use Senna as tool to justify moves of dirtiest driver of all times.

During Senna’s life no one has ever called him “dirty” as much as it was done recently for Schuey’s sake. Like “Let’s call Senna dirty because if we do than Schuey’s dirt won’t be that important since one of the greatest ever – Senna was dirty too.” That is really, really low.

[Sodder]

To wish pain on anyone is just plain stupid. Now, COULD he get hurt because he pushes the car to hard, of course. However, this is not solely a danger for MS.

I really lost a lot of respect for whoever said the "let's hope he gets hurt" statements.

All this coming from a person who dislikes MS as a driver but respects what he has done both as a human and for fellow humans.

If he keeps winning, I'll like him less and less, but there is no function for the amount of wins to the amount of pain I wish he indures. THAT'S JUST PLAIN IDIOTIC!

[jaslfc]

I really haven't got a slightest bit of consideration for him and that is why I'd like to see him go to retirement without becoming the legend by hurting himself.

ahaha.. hes already a legend!! anyway .. im just happy that he is pushing hard.. he looks hungrier than ever. thats good

[m3_lover]

I really haven't got a slightest bit of consideration for him and that is why I'd like to see him go to retirement without becoming the legend by hurting himself.

ahaha.. hes already a legend!! anyway .. im just happy that he is pushing hard.. he looks hungrier than ever. thats good

As Much as I dislike Ms, I do have to agree with Jaslfc in that he was pushing so hard in the race. He knew he his tires were not up to tempurature and he still went so strong on that corner, got some understeer and smashed into the wall, just shows you that he was trying 110 percent and that is what makes him so good and hated by others

[RacingManiac]

I've said what I had to say about Schuey many times before...

I only dislike using Senna as the mean to explain or justify Shumacher's moves. Senna died months before Schumacher started his controversy and I find it inappropriate to use Senna as tool to justify moves of dirtiest driver of all times.

During Senna’s life no one has ever called him “dirty” as much as it was done recently for Schuey’s sake. Like “Let’s call Senna dirty because if we do than Schuey’s dirt won’t be that important since one of the greatest ever – Senna was dirty too.” That is really, really low.

by no one calls him dirty during his time somehow makes it right? During Senna's time, even if it was only 10-15 years ago, the sports is not nearly as scrutinizd as it is today. To judge one man on his behavior as attempted murder you need to use the same scale on the other who did the same thing. A wrong thing that was not judged so does not make it somehow more or less acceptable....especially if you want to judge someone on some perceived moral high ground....

[jgredline]

I hope Schuey go injured because a like to see youngsters win instead of him. 84 wins is already enough for him, his closest challenger is Alain Prost on the list : 51 wins, the two guys wins difference is 33. If he wins every time then F1 would be so boring.

What a dumb stupid thing to say. How can you love F1 or motor racing period and wish for someone to get hurt. I don't like Michael Shumacher or Ralf for that matter but would not wish ANYBODY to get hurt or die. Bro, what are you thinking????????

[manchild]

by no one calls him dirty during his time somehow makes it right?

Exactly!

If his rivals and fans following f1 racing when he was alive including media didn't name him drity than someone young who is watching clips from internet is not qualified to make judgment after 15 or more years.

Schumacher was called drity even before he entered F1 and continued in that fashion after entering F1 and becoming a champion for the first time. If FIAT/Ferrari owner's Agnelli familly called him dirty 9 years ago including whole Italian press than I think that's that. Imagine how obvious it must have been when Ferrari owners, fans and media from Italy said it so explicitly.

During Senna's time, even if it was only 10-15 years ago, the sports is not nearly as scrutinizd as it is today. To judge one man on his behavior as attempted murder you need to use the same scale on the other who did the same thing. A wrong thing that was not judged so does not make it somehow more or less acceptable....especially if you want to judge someone on some perceived moral high ground....

I said that such move in traffic would be qualified as an attempt of murder, there is no criminal law for F1 racing.

Bottom line - Senna was great person and great driver and using his name as circumstantial tool to explain anything about Schumacher is disgraceful. Senna went in history in a blaze of glory (unfortunately), Schuey will go peacefully with a burden of hypocrisy.

This is only my opinion and I'm not expecting people who disagree to accept it but if someone would like to talk about Senna only than no one would bring up Schuey's name, so since this topic is about Schuey than let's talk about Schuey without dragging Senna into it.

[Tom]

manchild wrote:

I've said what I had to say about Schuey many times before...

I only dislike using Senna as the mean to explain or justify Shumacher's moves. Senna died months before Schumacher started his controversy and I find it inappropriate to use Senna as tool to justify moves of dirtiest driver of all times.

During Senna’s life no one has ever called him “dirty” as much as it was done recently for Schuey’s sake. Like “Let’s call Senna dirty because if we do than Schuey’s dirt won’t be that important since one of the greatest ever – Senna was dirty too.” That is really, really low.

I have a hell of a lot of respect for you Manchild, but in my opinion your talking bo**ocks.

I don't like MS, I don't think I would have liked Senna if I was interested in racing when he was driving, however I also respect that they were both great men and unfortunetly one of them still is. However when any driver deliberatly runs another of the road at any speed for any reason, except for some bizzare scanario where it would be safest to do so, it is foul play and dangerouse. Be him a five times WC or not. What Senna did was plain wrong. What Michael did was plain wrong, twice at least.

Unfortunetly if that is what they have to do to win they see that as a realistic option. I have seriouse doubts that any driver who does see this as a real option should be allowed to race these cars on these circuits. Wherethere they be Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Clark, Stewart, Lauda...whoever.

[manchild]

Every driver f**ed up at least once, Senna had his share but equalizing him with Schumacher (because of that one accident with Prost) whose whole career and success is based on cheating and dishonest aid from FIA is simply silly.

People can’t name anything about Senna except that accident with Prost and the other accident at Hungaroring (pure racing accident). Is that all from 10 years of career - yes it is.

Schuey caused much more such incidents even during 2005 season (Austraila, Turkey, China) - 3 incidents caused by his reckless driving leaving Heidfeld, Webber an Albers out of the race.

There is really no ground and evidence to draw the line between Senna and Schumacher. Only thing that is equal is the statistic saying that they’ve both won multiple WDC and that is all.

[dumrick]

by no one calls him dirty during his time somehow makes it right?

Exactly!

If his rivals and fans following f1 racing when he was alive including media didn't name him drity than someone young who is watching clips from internet is not qualified to make judgment after 15 or more years.

WHAT?!?!?!?!? No one called Senna dirty while he was driving?????? What kind of selective memory do you have, guys? Senna was many times a danger at the track, and I remember every other race the other racers complaining about his behaviour. Ok, I'm too young to remember the whole Senna career, although I see F1 ever since 1981 (5 years old...), I only became critic enough in the end of the 80's.

But in the end of the 80's / early 90's, there was a permanent attrition between the other drivers and the psycothic behaviour of Senna that I've already mentioned (being a portuguese speaker, I saw lots of interviews with him mentioning God over and over again, that he was the choosen one, and so on...). Of course, these psychotic traces is the stuff most heroes are made of!!!

Of course, after the 1st. May 1994, after that severe shock for everyone, that's not what you keep in mind about him... after dying, you'll not say bad things about people, you'll mentioned just the light things about what made Senna an hero...

Anyway, disliking Schumacher has much as any other Scumacher-disliker , I can see a clear difference between both and I'm happy because Schumy, going too far at times, doesn't have the same disregard for his life and the other diver's that Senna did.