Standard ECUs????????

chapmanlung · Post 15 Apr 2006, 11:43

is there a need for standard ECUs in F1?
i dont think so. it is a limiting factor to the cars performance, and formula one is not like that!

jaslfc · Post 15 Apr 2006, 12:33

i think standard ecu is the only way to stop driver aids. i think its fine. coz each team can still map their engines the way they want to ..

nae · Post 15 Apr 2006, 13:29

the whole point of a standard ecu in max's eyes is so the teams CANT alter the way the ecu works

be aswell go back to mechanical points...

chapmanlung · Post 15 Apr 2006, 15:15

well in short i must conclude, i hate max molsely!!

Ciro Pabón · Post 15 Apr 2006, 15:55

chapmanlung wrote:well in short i must conclude, i hate max molsely!!

Really? Friends come and go, but enemies are for life.

Standard ECU's use is just a proposal. The teams have to accept or reject it. http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16286.html.

The idea is to avoid power modulation and illegal traction control, not just to freak you out. http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=27456

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Go, go, Gadget!

manchild · Post 15 Apr 2006, 15:56

That's because Max thinks that peak of his life = peak of human kind and technology development. Just think how F1 would look today if such person was the head of FIA in '60s for example. Now we'd have standard carburetors, standard valve springs, standard diagonal tyres, standard leaded fuel etc.

Jason · Post 15 Apr 2006, 16:07

manchild wrote:That's because Max thinks that peak of his life = peak of human kind and technology development. Just think how F1 would look today if such person was the head of FIA in '60s for example. Now we'd have standard carburetors, standard valve springs, standard diagonal tyres, standard leaded fuel etc.

No matter what Max is doing I just hate him

he and his "welfare carer" partner Bernie just knows how to ruin the sport

Ciro Pabón · Post 15 Apr 2006, 16:21

Jason wrote:No matter what Max is doing I just hate him he and his "welfare carer" partner Bernie just knows how to ruin the sport

"The only one that can end a project is his creator and owner."
- Stafford Beer -

Spencifer_Murphy · Post 16 Apr 2006, 14:42

As much as I absolutely hate the idea of imposing a piece of equipment on the teams so they cannot develop their own (Renault's Step11 Electronics for example was a great step forward) BUT I will accept this standard ECU because it removes another of my pet hates:

DRIVER AIDS. With this standard ECU teams can no longer run TC (legal or not) that alone is good enough for me! lol

Tp · Post 16 Apr 2006, 14:54

Spencifer_Murphy wrote:I will accept this standard ECU because it removes another of my pet hates: DRIVER AIDS. With this standard ECU teams can no longer run TC (legal or not) that alone is good enough for me! lol

Yeah I agree, F1 drivers are supposed to be the greatest drivers on the planet! So why do they need driver aids?

m3_lover · Post 16 Apr 2006, 18:22

The ECU on a formula one car is too advanced for a road car, but I would like the standard ECU becuaes of the driver aids being remove. Some teams say they can have there own ECU's and police the software so there is no driver aids. Didn't ferrari get caught for having traction control for the start in the 90's. I tend to think that they are still cheating with the software for driver aids to this day, the only way to do it is to have the standard ECU, it will also show which drivers can actually drive a car with no aids.

manchild · Post 16 Apr 2006, 18:28

If TC is the only one driver's aid functioning via ECU than FIA can ban sensors in transmission and let electronic engine management being developed.

They are cutting down the apple tree to pick an apple

bhall · Post 16 Apr 2006, 19:04

I still think that this proposal, along with many of the others introduced for 2008, are negotiating tactics designed to bring the GPMA into signing the Concorde Agreement. That's the only way any of this makes sense to me.

If you have standard ECUs on engines that are specified to have a 2.4L displacement on eight cylinders, made of approved metals, and in a 90 degree angle with a set center of gravity and maximum rev/intake limits (as will all be the case), you end up with a spec engine that might as well all be produced by the same manufacturer. And clearly a spec engine such as this goes against the entire philosophy of F1.

Mosley is using the fact that he is seen as just crazy enough, and that short-sighted, to actually do these things to try and force the GPMA's hand into joining up to change the rules from the inside, which is the only way the rules can be adjusted.

Otherwise, Mosley is making F1 into "International CART," and I can't stand it.

DaveKillens · Post 17 Apr 2006, 03:28

I also believe this is just a bargaining tool Max is proposing to force the hands of those reluctant to join his happy circus. If there is a standard engine management unit, then the engines would have to be designed to accomodate the software. After the first generation, all the engines would most probably be 99% identical in every detail. The only difference would be the name on the valve covers.

Ciro Pabón · Post 17 Apr 2006, 15:42

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=35571

You could argue that this is a structural problem, not a bargaining chip. Let's see.

In my life, F1 has become a "extreme" sport, in the sense that the regulations just try to keep the centrifugal forces at a human level. It used to be a "dangerous" sport, in which you could kill yourself, with pilots that could drank beer.

It used to be adventure, not a physical test.

Nowadays the sport is at the edge of becoming a car sport, not a people sport. I think there is a lot of people that are Ferrari's fans, not Barrichello's fans. Please, don't you get me wrong: I love Enzo Ferrari and most Ferrari's cars, but I find hard to love the Ferrari brand.

For example, there you have the A1 championship, as if racing were a team sport! It is the same problem as with the Davis Cup: c'mon guys, tennis and racing are individual performances, like singers or politicians.

It seems to me that car manufacturers are at the end of a couple of decades that has made them the owners of the sport. I believe that in 2008 this will be official: I am waiting only for the "big" name changes. Will we see more and more interviews with the mechanics and less with the pilots?

If this is a bargaining tool for something, I only hope it stands at the end of the negotiations, because BMW it is not interested in dazzling us with Heidfeld's abilities: they want the M3 to shine...

I wonder if F1 can reach the rare equilibrium that, for me, soccer has: the individual and the team go together. I believe this potential for balance is there: it is easy to love a car, not so easy to love a particular tennis ball.

So we should ask if this apple is the one that Eve offered to Adam. We should strive always for cars that give you enough edge for the best to shine, even if you are a couple of dollars short.

If this means that you all guys in the mechanical field had reach the end of the development career (really?) and F1 will become just huge carts for grown-ups, as some posts dramatize, let it happen...