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Yesterday's race showed to his fans and to those that it needed showing that MS is the most complete driver in F1 history. How many drivers past and present would have reacted as he did??
With the exception of Prost and the now schooled FA I can think of nobodyelse.
Senna??--Please!
Kimi--give me a break!
Knowing that in his second stint he did not have the pace to deny FA he resorted to sand-bagging. This allowed FA to close him down quicker than would have been the case had he tried his best. Not running as fast as he could thereby luring Renault and FA into a false sense of security about their pace vis a vis his. He was simply controlling the race waiting for FA to pit. When he did MS unleashed the fastest lap of his second stint (1.25.7) and with his trademark fastest inlap defeated FA.
Bravo MS, my hating days are long over! I have nothing but grudging admiration for your unique talent. F1 will certainly miss you when you decide to hang you boots! And please give FA a genuine run for his money this year. Not the phantom contest of last year.
And if KR decides to be your teammate at ferrari please dont slaughter him!
The more enthusiasm he puts in, the more respect he earns. I love to see him show his real skills on the truck, but unfortunately he doesn't have the right tools to do it at the moment - even thou he doesn't have them, he's giving so much to improve his pace.
Another thing, he is not big headed. You won't see him blaming anyone else for his errors like other drivers.
For those who don't like his personality here's a chance to see the other side of him. It's not the money that he wants... it's something he's got plenty of. I guess people started to dislike him since he started winning, so the blames were "dirty driver" etc. Being dirty driver won't get you 7 titles...
The trouble with the rat-race is that even if you win, you're still a rat.
This is a F1 technical website, not a anti or pro driver thread, we try not to do it, we want technical stuff being discussed and not about which driver is better then another driver, that is really subjective and your opinion. The thread will never stop on that topic.
so I am giving this thread this picture
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Simon: Nils? You can close in now. Nils?
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Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.
The thread is not stupid, the statements are a bit. It doesn't take superman to do what Schumacher did, furthermore at Imola. As a matter of fact, remember he only had to do what he suffered from Alonso last year. Every F1 driver, finding himself in the lead, lacking pace to his competitors, but with higher top speed than them, in a circuit where is impossible to pass, would do exactly the same, being it Schumi or Ide!
Fortunately, what we don't have are that many F1 circuits where a guy that is 1,5s or 2s faster than the guy in front cannot overtake him...
It was a nice drive from Schumi, but you guys are hugely overreacting...
Like dumrick said, anybody (aside from Ide, perhaps) could have done what MS did last weekend. Button could have done it, Rubens could have and win. Imola isn't a place you can really overtake people. What made Alonso's strategy different last year was that he slowed down the pace enough as to not reach the backmarkers.
It was a well-earned win from Ferrari. But the Senna and Kimi comment sounds like a comment from somebody who OD'd on bad crack.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements
I won't comment on Schuey at here all but I'll mention that it is really low what Schuey fans do and that is using Senna over and over again to explain Schuey's "greatness". Talking about "beating" of record held by any driver who died before his career ended is totally disgraceful.
So, leave Senna to rest in peace and talk about Schuey using facts and data from his own career.
I Like schuey when the ferrari was Crap when he first moved, because he was the only reason that car was fast for about 3 years. Maybe i just like under dogs. In recent year i keep seeing things going schueys and i dont really like that.
In terms of being the most Compleat Driver ever...... cant swallow it i am afraid, maybe the most Successfull driver ever. Well Till Alonso Takes all the Records
I believe in the chain of command, Its the chain I use to beat you till you do what i want!!!
emburmak wrote:Yesterday's race showed to his fans and to those that it needed showing that MS is the most complete driver in F1 history. How many drivers past and present would have reacted as he did??
Nuvolari??????????
Schuey is incredibly complete as a driver; fast as hell, aggressive, gets himself the best equipment and people, uses the equipment well, never lets up.
Alonso is looking like the nearest thing we have seen for ages - two all time greats driving in the same time frame. Haven't seen that calibre since Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Senna were duking it out.
As a fan; MS leaves me cold.........something is missing that makes other past drivers greater in my eyes.
I'll sign off with a thought about a man people forget about.............Mario Andretti anyone brave enough to tell me he is not one of the best of all time
I do agree that Shu is a great driver, he is incrediblly intelligent and dedicated to his sport. But I've seen other drivers showing how to block others. Gilles did it in one race, held up a whole handful of drivers climbing all over his back. And Imola, being so darn difficult too pass, makes it easier. Alonso did it last year to a much quicker Shu. Under pressure Shu does make mistakes, he is far from perfect. So the gentleman does choke on occasion, his consistency suffers under pressure. And it's hard to compare him when his teammate always has to play second fiddle. Shu makes sure of that, it's written into the contracts. Even now, Massa has shown that he has to honor the contract, and support Shu.
When a driver has a superior car and tires tailored just for that individual, and no teammate for comparison, direct comparisons cannot be made. We can compare Ralf and Montoya, we can compare Prost and Senna, we can compare Graham Hill and Jimmy Clark, because all of them competed on equal cars.
And it must be noticed that in the history of motor racing, so much resources were devoted to just one individual. The entire Ferrari factory, team, car design and evolution were all specifically dedicated to just one individual. Even Bridgestone got involved, their tires were tailored for just one man, Schumacher.
So what you have is unparalleled dedication of resources over a long period of time. All to one individual. He joined Ferrari in 1996, and ever since then, every penny spent, every team decision on tactics or race strategy, every tire manufactured, every design decision was dedicated to just one thing, to get Shu across the finish line first.
Senna had to battle Prost in a totally equal basis while in McLaren. Fangio changed teams on a regular basis, he got whatever the team had, and made use of whatever it was. Jimmy Clark never enjoyed long term evolution of his cars, they changed so much each year they were practically a new expereince each season. As well, he had tough teammates who weren't under orders to be his bitch.
Yes, Shu is a great driver, and yes, he's very well rounded. But it has to be compared to the conditions he is in, what his true battles are, and the different challenges those he is compared to, what they had to deal with, and what Shu didn't.
But MS burned his tyres pushing very hard at the start of that stint (probably to ensure he was still ahead of alonso after he stopped), but yes, to drop back and control the pace to conserve tyres was pretty smart. I disagree that most other drivers would have done the same, in terms of racecraft and thinking about what they are doing, in my opinion, Alonso and Schumacher are streets ahead of the rest apart maybe from Nick Heidfield.
MS had not only to defend but be able to respond when the expected pitstop arrived. To be able to slow enough to have lull the opposition into thinking you could not go quicker is a hallmark of genius.
Do you think that if FA & Renault knew that MS could put in a 1.25.7 (as opposed to the previous 10 lap ave of 1.27.4) they would not have comunicated this to FA?? This would have made him hurry-up during his in-lap instead of thinking he had time in hand. MS had speed in reserve which nobody knew he had. Even Symonds acknowledged that MS had pulled a blinder!
Yeah your right emburmak it's not a stupid thread.
So is Michael the most complete driver in F1 well of course Michael is't unbeatable, he can sometimes be clooms in traffic and overdrive in qualifying. Others on the grid will sometimes deliver more than he can, but, when it comes to producing the goods on a consistant basis, no one can come close. It also isn't on the track where M.S scores - he's also very clever clever, he know how he wants the team to operate around him. Michael has built a sustantial comfort zone outside the car, so has more capacity to deliver in it.
Still don't belive me he's the most complete driver?
Martin Brundle wrote:Michael is statisically the most successful driver ever, to that i'd add he's the most complete driver, and by some margin
