Nurburgring (place to discuss this weekends race)

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Scuderia_Russ
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m3_lover wrote:Also Massa had Schumacher beat on the first corner, but he slowed down to let Schu in. Damn Team Orders.
I don't think so somehow. Massawould have turned in on him and took them both out. Team orders are banned btw!
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F1+FIA=conspiracy
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

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Tom wrote:F1+FIA=conspiracy
Of course it does... has anyone got the phone number for Mulder and Scully?! ...Jesus!
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Tom
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I'm allaborating someone elses preacings here.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

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I thought about team orders too when I saw that. Actually I stood up and shouted "What is he doing???" (In my ever so classy southern drawl). I dont really care for the Ferarris (I'm apathetic towards them, not caring if they win or both blow up) but it did seem that Massa let up with plenty of room along the outside to pass.

Good for Massa getting his first Podium.

Stinks for Webber, I really wish he could complete a race ever now and then.

Wish Heidfield had put it together a little better .

Thats really all I got...
All I know is I don't know much....

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m3_lover
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I know Team Orders are banned, but if you watch the start, clearly Massa is ahead of Schumacher and then all of sudden he loses speed for acouple of seconds?
Simon: Nils? You can close in now. Nils?
John McClane: [on the guard's phone] Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, ----head. So's his pal, and those four guys from the East German All-Stars, your boys at the bank? They're gonna be a little late.
Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.

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wazojugs
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Schumi was stated in todays independant that he was busy getting a tow from behind alonso down to turn 1, when he sensed something behind him and then saw massa at the side of him. He was hoping that he gave him plenty of room when coming into turn 1.

When has Schumi ever give a --- about giving people room into the first corner team mate or not. Massa backout of the corner for him....

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Scuderia_Russ wrote:Team orders are banned btw!
Only pit-to-car radio team orders are banned. JT can certianly tell Massa before the race "if you somehow get infront get back ASAP" :lol:
Scuderia_Russ wrote:
Tom wrote:F1+FIA=conspiracy
Of course it does... has anyone got the phone number for Mulder and Scully?! ...Jesus!
Here is an equation for you SR, ma+FIA=X :lol:

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Scuderia_Russ wrote:Team orders are banned btw!
Ever since Reubens was openly ordered to slow down and allow Shu to pass and win in Austria, that type of "team orders" is closely monitered by the FIA with the penalty of severe repercussions. But teammates are teammates, they are under certain "instructions". In Williams, it appears the only directive they have is not to take each other out.
Before each race, the team principals all sit down and have a pre-race strategy meeting. It's a serious and important part of the race, and such things as pit stop strategies, analysis of competitors, to expectations and discussions of possible scenarios are discussed.
I remember when Coulthard and Hakkinen were in McLaren they once mentioned an agreement that whoever was in the lead at a certain point in the race, the other would just follow along and not make a serious attempt to pass. So all teams do it to, each in their own ways. I hear accusations against Ferrari, but no one has complained about SA, where Sato is also considered the number one driver, and gets all the perks first. If Ferrari are guilty of anything, it is being successful, and publicly stating that Shu is the number one driver.
So what if Massa probably gave way to Shu? He's the number two driver and the ultimate sin would be to be stupidly aggressive and take himself and Shu out in the first corner.
As far as I'm concerned, Massa drove a great, smart race. He played a big part in Shu's victory, from dogging Alonso, to not taking Shu out in the first corner. I don't have a problem with that, Massa just did what he was hired for, and he did it very well.

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DaveKillens wrote:but no one has complained about SA, where Sato is also considered the number one driver, and gets all the perks first.
Montagny was telling the whole weekend that is car is 10kg heavier than Sato's. And 10kg in F1 is a big diffrence, mainly on the freedom you have to put the ballast.

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i got the itv feed here in australia. and i think james allen just commented about the flapping mid-wing and he joked about it than being serious about the effects of it..
and i have to agree that the itv commentary is the best i heard.. in australia where im studying we get the local commentaries for some rounds.. and they suck. in malaysian and south east asian region we get the starsports commentary and they are biased towards the car on form all the time..

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Moveable aero is banned in F1 but Ferrari got away with it in the flyaway races...

It's sad to know that McLaren really isn't in the fight right now and that Williams and Toyota are not up there either.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements

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I've an idea, is there some way that the team can remove/add an aero device during the race so that they have best one lapper setup during quali and best long distance setup during race? I was just thinking, the teams can switch nose cones, do the wings on each nose have to be identical? Or perhaps they could surutitiously remove one of the mid wings with a quick release during pit stops.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

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Yeah Tom you're right I shouldn't be too scathing of our commentators. Brundle is very good. But James Allen does confuse me. Didn't he used to be a mechanic or some sort of practical member of an F1 team? Yet he appears to have little grasp of technical subjects.

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Tom wrote:I've an idea, is there some way that the team can remove/add an aero device during the race so that they have best one lapper setup during quali and best long distance setup during race? I was just thinking, the teams can switch nose cones, do the wings on each nose have to be identical? Or perhaps they could surutitiously remove one of the mid wings with a quick release during pit stops.
In endurance racing they have different sized Gurney flaps that can be changed within ten seconds. And of course, the front wings can be cranked up or down pretty easily.The only way to keep this from happening is to have inspectors watch the team and car constantly, every second.