Ferrari 150° Italia

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Lorenzo_Bandini
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Something is broken in this wing, it's reminds me an Virgin FW at the start of 2010 season during testing

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raymondu999
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Lorenzo why do you say it's broken? I remember the Virgin wings in early 2010 were rubbish - if a driver touched a kerb at speed the vibrations destroyed the pylons and the wing fell off
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Richard
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Just seen a head on shot of Alonso down the straight in FP2. That front wing is oscillating from horiz to endplate hitting the ground.

I wonder if it will be used in the race? I'd expect that instability to cause aero problems...... aside from scrutineering concerns.

Robbobnob
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its vibrating due to vortex shedding..

very very interesting... is Ferrari using these mechanics to reduce drag at high speeds, alike the Mercedes BFW (blown front wing)
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shelly
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I do not think they are playing with some kind of flutter to get an advadage - I think it is an unwanted side effect.
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Robbobnob
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are you implying the engineers at Ferrari overlooked VIV?
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shelly
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Aeroelasticity is a very complex subject; plus there is the difficult predictablity of the amount of structural damping
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imightbewrong
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Yeah, I don't think this is on purpose:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlzeww ... x-fp1_auto

absbeginner
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It's a political move.

It makes no sense to bring a new front wing at the end of the season just to show to other contenders what Ferrari are able to do now with flexible carbon fibres.

They are trying to start the rage across teams and between teams and FIA, forcing the latter to introduce new rules and limits over static and dinamic flexibility. We know about Red Bull front wing flexibility from two years now but Ferrari know that problem arises only when they hit the limit.

Just like it happened last year.

shelly
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Yes, it could be political. What is to be seen is: is the wing that they a racing compliant with the FIA flexing tests?

Btw the footage is amazing! Haven't seen anything like that since Japan 1997.
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Tim.Wright
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Wont know till qualifying. They can use what they want in FP.

Though I cant see them continuiing with this wing, its vibrating far too much. Its not a steady flex.

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bonjon1979
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Tim.Wright wrote:Wont know till qualifying. They can use what they want in FP.

Though I cant see them continuiing with this wing, its vibrating far too much. Its not a steady flex.

Tim
Not true actually - car must conform to the regulations across the event (this isn't true of pre-season testing which is what you may be getting confused with.)

24) SCRUTINEERING
24.1 Between 10.00 and 16.00 three days before the race (four days in Monaco) initial scrutineering of all cars
will take place in the garage assigned to each competitor.
24.2 Unless a waiver is granted by the stewards, competitors who do not keep to these time limits will not be
allowed to take part in the Event.
24.3 No car may take part in the Event until it has been passed by the scrutineers.
24.4 The scrutineers may :
a) check the eligibility of a car or of a competitor at any time during an Event ;
b) require a car to be dismantled by the competitor to make sure that the conditions of eligibility or
conformity are fully satisfied ;
c) require a competitor to pay the reasonable expenses which exercise of the powers mentioned in this
Article may entail ;
d) require a competitor to supply them with such parts or samples as they may deem necessary.
24.5 Any car which, after being passed by the scrutineers, is dismantled or modified in a way which might affect
its safety or call into question its eligibility, or which is involved in an accident with similar consequences,
must be re-presented for scrutineering approval.
Any such re-scrutineering may only take place with the consent

vall
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the wing started vibrating only under breaking. So, maybe it is a side effect of the vibrations? Whatever it is, it is clearly vibrating and flexing too much.

shelly
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the interesting part after "consent" is missing. Consent from..?
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bonjon1979
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Sorry, slapdash copy'n'pasting!

here's the rest.

Any such re-scrutineering may only take place with the consent of the stewards (following a written request
from a competitor) and will be carried out the next morning.
24.6 The race director or the clerk of the course may require that any car involved in an accident be stopped
and checked.
24.7 Checks and scrutineering shall be carried out by duly appointed officials who shall also be responsible for
the operation of the parc fermé and who alone are authorised to give instructions to the competitors.
24.8 The stewards will publish the findings of the scrutineers each time cars are checked during the Event.
These results will not include any specific figure except when a car is found to be in breach of the
Technical Regulations.