Ferrari's lack of pace

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DaveKillens
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Politically, Max supports Ferrari, and vice versa. If Ferrari didn't support Max, he most likely would not be in the position of power he now enjoys. So it's in his best interests to pretend that F1 would languish without Ferrari. History has shown otherwise, where other major players and contributors have died and gone away, while the sport continues to grow and be more profitable.
The same scenario would play out of Ferrari did not compete in F1. For a couple of years they would be missed, but someone else would fill the gap, and after a decade, most fans would say "Ferrari who?". From the late 80's to the late 90's Ferrari were just a competitor. They did not lead by innovating anything memorable, they were not considered serious contenders, they were just there. Mind you, having Ferrari compete in Formula One is a good thing, but just as same as anyone else. it's good to serious competition between serious players. Witness what's happening this year, where Shu and ferrari have returned to competitive form against the dominating renault, and it's good, it's made it fun for the fans. The same rules applied when Ferrari dominated. It's good so see serious contenders, a close battle, and interesing races and fans. Some Ferrari fans want that team to dominate every race, and that's not good sport, that's just a guaranteed result. Good sport comes from hard competition and the risk of failure. Otherwise, it's just play acting.
And that hurts the sport, and makes it a joke.

FLC
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DaveKillens wrote:The same scenario would play out of Ferrari did not compete in F1. For a couple of years they would be missed, but someone else would fill the gap, and after a decade, most fans would say "Ferrari who?"
I can agree with most of the things you said, but what you said in the quoted sentence above is rather disturbing. If ferrari did not compete in F1 they would definitely be missed. Forever. Ferrari wrote important pages in the book of history of F1. just like when you say the names Alfa-Romeo, Lotus, Brabham, Maserati and others, the Ferrari name is a legend in motor sport world. If a true fan of this sport can say those names without missing them or having some kind of respect to them, than he is not a true fan. I'm a Ferrari fan, but I can say that in my opinion Mclaren can also fit in that category. and I tottaly agree that we need to see a fine battle between the teams. when you win without sweating, it's never the same thing.

manchild
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Scuderia_Russ wrote:Most of the rules changes of the last few years have been brought in to work against Ferrari's dominance, not the other way around.
I'd like to know is that just your presonal oppinon or someone said it officialy? Which rules BTW?

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manchild wrote:I'd like to know is that just your presonal oppinon or someone said it officialy? Which rules BTW?
Manchild, pleeze. I was born and raised in Spain and I live in Colombia, so Ferrari is not my first option for cheering. I am not trying to argue with you about Ferrari (I have a life!). But:

- All opinions are personal. :wink:

- From afar it seems you are in state of denial. :shock: Your desires are orders, oh, exalted master: here you have some quotes, after a light googling.

"It would be easy to construct a case that the FIA are biased against Ferrari. If you look at the regulation changes for 2005 with regard to the significant reduction in downforce, longevity of engines, and particularly putting such an onus on tyre life and development where Ferrari are clearly working virtually alone with Bridgestone." Brundle, 2005

"The Italian team's president told the Brazilian press that Ferrari has not adapted well enough to the 2006 F1 regulations, including the return of tyre-change pit stops and 2.4 litre V8 engines. He said : ''The changes were introduced to limit Ferrari's supremacy, which many believed was boring.''" Montezemolo, 2006

"Top boss of financially burdened Fiat subsidiary Ferrari, Luca di Montezemolo, is reported in Autosport magazine as saying Ferrari might look for challenges outside of F1... Bernie wants to turn F1 on its head with new rules next year. Advertisers are pulling out of F1 because money is tight and other sports are more interesting for them than boring F1 and its falling audiences and pre-ordained finishes."Basel Expats, 2006

"Ferrari's domination has sent the FIA think tank into hyperdrive as they come up with ideas about how to stop them doing the same in the coming years... Luca di Montezemolo has given the FIA the strongest possible warning yet. Speaking on Italian TV Ferrari's President suggested that if the new rules are enforced without backing then the Ferrari team will be left with no option but to leave the sport." Montezemolo, 2002

I feel sorry for a bussiness (sorry, a sport) that has to do this kind of things. Greed, greed, engine of the world... When Montoya won 7 poles in his second year, they changed the rules (actually, I don think they did it because of Montoya, but you never know :wink:). I am afraid next time it will be Renault.

I don't remember the name of the paraguayan or uruguayan dictator that used to say:

For my friends, anything. For my enemies, the law.

Those are the perks that dictatorship brings you.
Ciro

saam
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couldnt have said it better myself ciro.... 8)
Always FERRARI


Everyones an F1 expert........

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Ciro Pabón
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saam wrote:couldnt have said it better myself ciro.... 8)
Well, I am just making the point that, in effect, Ferrari says so. I am gratuitously pleading for justice, and more stable rules. even for Ferrari.
Ciro

manchild
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Ciro Pabón wrote:From afar it seems you are in state of denial
Indeed, I'm denying that FIA was ever creating rules to stop Ferrari dominance :lol:

Basically, I'm not trusting someones words if his actions are completely oposite.

DaveKillens
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Once upon a time, Ferrari and LeMans were linked by history. Many of the great historical cars of Ferrari were from that era and track. And of course, they left that form of racing. That's my point, that nothing is forever, and if a team suddenly isn't competing in a series, then people eventually find someone else to cheer for. Remember the all mighty Porsche 917's at Lemans? Gone now, and there's others to cheer for. Audi, Bentley, and so on.