Mercedes GP 2011

[dren]

Ok, he hasnt signed officially. But the rhetoric suggests it will be a formality.

But to anyone with a bit of savvy will realise Willis Bell and Costa wont all have been able to fully utilise the W03 to the level of RB given they need time to gel and work together from concept inception.
They will have a clear shot at 2013, and this will be Schumacher's best chance.

And knowing why Schumacher returned to F1, and his ambition to succeed, I think it would be natural for him to remain for 1 year longer given that he seems to have lost little if anything in terms of competitiveness now he is fully up to speed.

I can't blame Schumacher for not wanting to flounder around in a noncompetitive car. It is obvious he still has tallent. I wouldn't want to waste away in the midfield after knowing that, especially with 7 championships under my belt.

[Mr.S]

How is Michael so slow in Qualifying & suddenly mysteriously fast in the race??? Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ehh???

One thing I just checked,in their best laps Nico & Michael had almost similar times in S2,Nico was 2 tenths quicker in S3. However in S1 which is almost entirely composed of straights,Nico is more than half a second quicker. Around 0.5-0.7 of a second quicker with just 1 braking zone & 2 long straights.


I fail to understand this "little" Top Speed difference???? Is this little???? I dont know what to say,some horrible set-up issues or are there some elements in Mercedes GP not working how they should be working??

[MIKEY_!]

Sounds like they are running different DF.

[raymondu999]

Mikey; that would mean Schumacher would be killing Rosberg in S2. I think possibly Schumacher might have something a bit more tyre-life oriented?

[Mr.S]

Mikey; that would mean Schumacher would be killing Rosberg in S2. I think possibly Schumacher might have something a bit more tyre-life oriented?

The whole track has barely any flat out corners,DF has very little to do. Its mostly about breaking stability & traction out of corners.

Sector 2 is all straights. 2 Straights & 1 braking zone in between. That is where the difference is. Rosberg is gaining most of the 0.5-0.6s in the straights over MSC as I cant believe he is going to get much out of just 1 Turn(breaking zone).

How is that possible???? I think this has to do something with DRS or some stuff in the car working horribly.

[MIKEY_!]

Is DRS the only thing that could do that much damage in one area without affecting others? Otherwise they must be doing something really different setup wise (they've had plenty of practice time they should have a good setup for both). What else could cause that bigger difference in one sector?

ray: did he make an error in the sectors where he was as quick as rosberg? You could be onto something with tires however.

[lebesset]

am I correct in thinking that MSC has had to use more option tyres than nico in qualifying ?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

We have seen the pattern emerge this year. Its almost a Tortoise and hare scenario.

Schumacher has ditched his ultimate one lap pace, to focus on his race pace and set up.
The car is much better than his position suggests, as Rosbergs position tells me.

But, we know Schumacher is prepared to take the risk of starting further behind because he makes up the most positions at the start of a GP than any driver this year. And by some margin too.
He gets paid back during the race when his car is evidently faster.

Itsa case of vastly different setups each of which focuses more on a certain discipline, Quali or Race.

[Pierce89]

Ok, he hasnt signed officially. But the rhetoric suggests it will be a formality.

But to anyone with a bit of savvy will realise Willis Bell and Costa wont all have been able to fully utilise the W03 to the level of RB given they need time to gel and work together from concept inception.
They will have a clear shot at 2013, and this will be Schumacher's best chance.

And knowing why Schumacher returned to F1, and his ambition to succeed, I think it would be natural for him to remain for 1 year longer given that he seems to have lost little if anything in terms of competitiveness now he is fully up to speed.

I can't blame Schumacher for not wanting to flounder around in a noncompetitive car. It is obvious he still has tallent. I wouldn't want to waste away in the midfield after knowing that, especially with 7 championships under my belt.

not Shumi fan, but I truly agree. I think Lewis and Shumi should trade places.

[Cocles]

They're testing out exhaust layouts for the W03 on the W02 this week at Yas Marina with Sam Bird.

(Second half of the article.)

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... n-tuesday/

[atanatizante]

Mikey; that would mean Schumacher would be killing Rosberg in S2. I think possibly Schumacher might have something a bit more tyre-life oriented?

The whole track has barely any flat out corners,DF has very little to do. Its mostly about breaking stability & traction out of corners.

Sector 2 is all straights. 2 Straights & 1 braking zone in between. That is where the difference is. Rosberg is gaining most of the 0.5-0.6s in the straights over MSC as I cant believe he is going to get much out of just 1 Turn(breaking zone).

How is that possible???? ...

A possible reason could be what Ross Brawn said after qualy:

"It was a reasonably straightforward qualifying session for us today with both drivers and the team doing a very good job. There was a little difference in straight-line speed on Michael's car which hampered his pace in relation to Nico so we need to have a look at that and understand why. Otherwise we are in good shape for the race and looking forward to tomorrow."
source : http://en.espnf1.com/abudhabi/motorspor ... 64116.html

As I reckon in Korea and India, Michael has had the same issue: an unbalanced wheel forcing him, in an RTL interview, to almost tell us that he has been sabotaged. An now, here in Abu Dhabi, Ross tell us that he has had a RW issue ...
So reviewing all the facts above mentioned and taking into account this year crap car but most of all the lack of prospect regarding 2012 car and beyond, and you could easily find out why he maybe didn`t want to renew his contract beyond 2012. Don`t you think?

[Mr.S]

Where is Macush. I want to congratulate him. The car is a dog. Rosberg is probably as good a qualifier as Vettel. The 3 day test showed it all. Almost 200 odd laps & for sure all those laps would be on heavy fuel. There has to be some light fuel laps. They evaluated the softs so they definitely tried atleast a MEDIUM or semi-low fuel run. Merc are never a team to sandbag.

The car is nowhere. Last of the time sheets with the new exhaust. Look at Williams they were Top 4-5. Even HRT & Virgin are ahead of Mercedes without engine mapping. They can say whatever they want but without engine mapping & EBD along with SUCH a FANTASTIC Driver line up,W02 is as good as Williams of Green Lotus. It loses atleast 1.5-2s.


The car is a pure dog. BORN BAD. PHYSICALLY HANDICAPPED BABY,not meant to be insensitive. Look at the times. Sauber-Williams with their 2012 exhaust-Force India beat Mercedes comfortably throughout the test,even Lotus-Green Lotus beat Mercedes more often than not. CAR IS A PURE DOG.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

You are going on times set by Sam Bird in testing where who knows what fuel loads they have.

Its the 4th quickest car out there, and that means it isnt a dog.

[Mr.S]

Yes Sam Bird got a 1.40.8 odd,fair enough 1s off Rosberg's pace when the track last year helped Daniel Riccardo to set a time 2s quicker. Track keeps getting quicker & quicker.


That for me is atleast 2.5-3s off Rosberg's time. I dont really think Mercedes will loose more than 1s due to EBD & Engine mapping. Bell & Willis better do some serious work. Also interesting to see Mclaren,I do feel they will loose the most without EBD.

The car is still a dog though,barely 4th fastest at most circuits with Force India's speed on many circuits almost same as Mercedes. If it was Nico-MSC driving Force India I do get a feeling they would have finished higher in Abu Dhabhi than Mercedes.Nick Heidfield was going flat out in Turn 8(Turkey) which MSC could not. Renault was quite good in Fast Flowing circuits.

[astracrazy]

I dont really think Mercedes will loose more than 1s due to EBD & Engine mapping. Bell & Willis better do some serious work. Also interesting to see Mclaren,I do feel they will loose the most without EBD.

but they will be different cars next year. Yes mclaren with this car would lose out with no ebd but then the car was designed to gain from it. Next year all the teams know they can't have it so they will focus there gain somewhere else.

ddd, f-duct, ebd. There is always something new which gains time lost by something else being banned