Ranting

[wazojugs]

1. Schuey won WDC in 1994 = true fact that says good thing about him
2. He won by it smashing Hill out of race = true fact that denies any good in first fact

Senna would have won that year in a RENAULT....

[Scuderia_Russ]

I conclude that they were cheating because they've changed their front wings after FIA told them to do so. If they were certain that detail analysis would prove that their wings are legal they wouldn't have changed them, would they?

Did you conclude that McLaren and BMW were cheating too then?

[Scuderia_Russ]

Ok, I decided to come out of the closet... I hate Ferrari, too!

All important innovations in F1 came from elsewhere and Ferrari always had a very conservative approach. Enzo always defended the sillyest things like front-engined sports cars ("the horses pull the wagon, not the other way around"), like what mattered were big and powerful engines, not the chassis,

So he was stubborn and stuck in his ways. He wasn't an engineer, he was a manager. How good a manager he was is a different story.

like a sports car is designed to accelerate, not to brake, and so on... to be constantly taken back to reality by the competition (Cooper central-engined F1's, Lamborghini Miura, Porsche and Lotus)

And where are they all now? Ferrari is one of if not the most recognisiable brands in the world now so he must have done something right.

[saam]

Let me put it to you this way, facts and figures tell the truth, not YOUR opinion.... bottom line

lets hope ferrari wins in monaco so we can have more experts on the pannel

Ferrari is more than just a brand, its a myth a legend.....

[m3_lover]

Let me put it to you this way, facts and figures tell the truth, not YOUR opinion.... bottom line

lets hope ferrari wins in monaco so we can have more experts on the pannel

Ferrari is more than just a brand, its a myth a legend.....

how can Ferrari be a myth, it exists?

[DaveKillens]

Ahh, the intense passion of the racing fan, gotta love it.
Just so long as we don't start a riot or burn the stands down and be labelled as hooligans.

[manchild]

Did you conclude that McLaren and BMW were cheating too then?

Yes, certianly.

[manchild]

Ferrari is more than just a brand, its a myth a legend.....

how can Ferrari be a myth, it exists?

Ferrari from 1947 to 1995 is a myth and legend but Ferrari from 1996 onwards is just a brand. Nowdays it is nothing but a logo and heritage exploited by small group of people who don't share a bit of Enzo's passion and use his heritage, success and glory as a sticker on their products saying "Buy this - it is Ferrari".

[Tp]

Nowdays it is nothing but a logo and heritage exploited by small group of people who don't share a bit of Enzo's passion and use his heritage, success and glory as a sticker on their products saying "Buy this - it is Ferrari".

Well, if you have the slightest bit of knowledge about road cars you would know that now Ferrari's are reaching a state of perfection, I could give you a link to a motoring review about one if you don't believe me. Now why would they make the cars so good if they're exploiting the Ferrari image?

Bugger it, i'll give you the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s64zn1WR ... %20Ferrari

[manchild]

I know they make excellent cars but new Ferrari management is also abusing logo to sell cameras, laptops, mobile phones and pile of other memorabilia crap that has nothing to do with Ferrari. Enzo could have done the same in his time but his heart was much bigger than appetite of his bank account.

I admire Ferrari road cars very much but the ones made since Monezemollo took over simply have that Schuey-FIA-Todt-Brown smell that makes them undesirable to me. If I was rich I’d by new Lambo’s and Porsche’s but certainly not any new Ferrari.

If you don't believe me check the topics "your dream car" and "my classic car collection".

viewtopic.php?t=2258&highlight=collection

viewtopic.php?t=2435&highlight=testarossa

[Tp]

I know they make excellent cars but new Ferrari management is also abusing logo to sell cameras, laptops, mobile phones and pile of other memorabilia crap that has nothing to do with Ferrari. Enzo could have done the same in his time but his heart was much bigger than appetite of his bank account.

Yeah, I suppose you're right there

[Ciro Pabón]

A fact plus another fact equals just two facts. Two facts are not a conclusion or an answer. Two facts plus an opinion is a conclusion!

Well, you have a point and a good one. I think MC is trying to explain that, when you are in the public eye, you cannot only BE good. You have to be good and, besides, you have TO SEEM to be good. This is what the romans called honor. It is an intangible, it is not in facts, it is in your heart, ultimately. The idea is that people can see in your face, in your expressions, in sum, in you entire attitude, if you, yourself, feel you deserve the win. And, of course, this is open to interpretation. You cannot be loved just based on facts.

[Ciro Pabón]

Dave, in his wonderful style, gives us the ponderate view. But, the same way he does, I wonder how people can go for the win only. You know, in Latin America we have a long tradition of losers. We are not ashamed of losing, after all we are the underdogs of the civilized world.

All we ask from our heroes is to lose with honor and passion. As the greeks also said: "A hero is a man that goes into combat, knowing he is going to lose". When he wins (not often), he is a hero and besides, he is lucky. If he loses, he still is a hero, just a tragic one. Frankly, this is the reason I admire more a guy like Villeneuve than, I don't know, Mosley.

But if you win with all the odds in your favor you will not get many latin american fans. Nothing less than the certain possibility of tragedy and of victory against overwhelming odds can satisfy the latin ethos.

Puritans tend to think, in my experience, that victory is a consequence of God being at your side because you follow His Rules (the same idea permeates the Old Testament). When you have money or success is because you are doing The Right Thing.

Catholics, on their side, tend to think the world is evil, its fruits are essentially tainted, and only by being humble and giving all your effort without any hope of personal reward can you reach glory, and glory is a matter far away from money, fame and, of course, statistics.

Sorry, I won't post again this kind of cheap philosophy rants. :^o

[pyry]

german cars rock, french cars suck. speaking in everyday driving terms.

[manchild]

german cars rock, french cars suck. speaking in everyday driving terms.

I suppose that is why Renault is most imported brand in Germany for decades?