the Pit Push

j4kwan · Post 21 May 2006, 21:31

In F1, is the pit crew allowed to help push the car out of the pit box during (obviously) a pit stop? The pitcrews in CART does that all the time; is there really that much of a difference?

johny · Post 21 May 2006, 23:53

yes it's allowed but i only remember few times with problems getting out, don't know why in champ cars they do it allways

walter · Post 22 May 2006, 00:03

the first gear is quite a high ratio. In F1 cars i believe it goes past 70mph in first gear, any help is good.

pyry · Post 22 May 2006, 01:44

so according to walter in the start of the race theyd get off the grid faster if someone was pushing?

walter · Post 22 May 2006, 01:59

no. any push is better than just wheelspin, its a no-brainer.

mini696 · Post 22 May 2006, 02:33

It is always easier to feed the clutch in on a moving car than a stationary one.

I think there is very little help to the car if the teams push it, I think the Champcar boys might just be a little more energetic.

wrk · Post 22 May 2006, 14:33

yer you know how the yanks love to put on a show....

frpax · Post 22 May 2006, 14:36

mini696 wrote:It is always easier to feed the clutch in on a moving car than a stationary one.

True

mini696 wrote:I think there is very little help to the car if the teams push it, I think the Champcar boys might just be a little more energetic.

Either that or they're all former Bobsled racers...

j4kwan · Post 23 May 2006, 01:56

so I guess it doesn't make that much difference, except if the car is starting to stall out.

ANOTHER QUESTION COMPARING TO CART (i know i know) is the fuel rigs:
i've heard that for some teams in CART the fueler has a button he can push that that lights up a LED light in the driver's cockpit, that way he knows exactly when the fuel is complete and when he can rip off the pit box.

why hasn't F1 applied this type of pit stop logistic?
Or perhaps to be even more advanced, once the fueler pushes downwards into the fuel hole, the fuel rig activates a 'fueling' light in the cockpit. Then by pressure of the fueler pulling the nozzle out, the 'fueling' light switches off telling the driver to spit off the pit lane.

dunno.

DaveKillens · Post 23 May 2006, 02:14

The drivetrain of an F1 and Cart car are noticeable, especially the electronics in the F1. I would wonder that if you pushed on a stationary F1 car it may confuse the electrics and lead to a possible problem on the launch cycle.
As well, you would have to lean on the bodywork, something that in F1 is a delicate issue. You could mess up your own aero settings, or most likely, lead other teams and fans to scream "foul".
As far as who notifies the driver it's time to get out of the pits, I doubt the refueller has any input. That decision is up to someone who can see that all the wheels are on properly, the refuelling apparatus is disconnected, and no impending traffic is in the way. The refueller(s) have enough of a difficult job, they don't have time to stop and watch the scenery.

jaslfc · Post 23 May 2006, 04:41

j4kwan wrote:so I guess it doesn't make that much difference, except if the car is starting to stall out.

ANOTHER QUESTION COMPARING TO CART (i know i know) is the fuel rigs:
i've heard that for some teams in CART the fueler has a button he can push that that lights up a LED light in the driver's cockpit, that way he knows exactly when the fuel is complete and when he can rip off the pit box.

why hasn't F1 applied this type of pit stop logistic?
Or perhaps to be even more advanced, once the fueler pushes downwards into the fuel hole, the fuel rig activates a 'fueling' light in the cockpit. Then by pressure of the fueler pulling the nozzle out, the 'fueling' light switches off telling the driver to spit off the pit lane.

dunno.

i think if u search the previous topics there was one where we debated about various things we can do to reduce the time in the pits as well as reduce the amount of mistakes..
btw. if u have notices.. for cars that have problem with launching they actually jack the back up and engage the car into gear.. and drop the car down

jaslfc · Post 23 May 2006, 04:45

j4kwan wrote:so I guess it doesn't make that much difference, except if the car is starting to stall out.

ANOTHER QUESTION COMPARING TO CART (i know i know) is the fuel rigs:
i've heard that for some teams in CART the fueler has a button he can push that that lights up a LED light in the driver's cockpit, that way he knows exactly when the fuel is complete and when he can rip off the pit box.

why hasn't F1 applied this type of pit stop logistic?
Or perhaps to be even more advanced, once the fueler pushes downwards into the fuel hole, the fuel rig activates a 'fueling' light in the cockpit. Then by pressure of the fueler pulling the nozzle out, the 'fueling' light switches off telling the driver to spit off the pit lane.

dunno.

i think if u search the previous topics there was one where we debated about various things we can do to reduce the time in the pits as well as reduce the amount of mistakes..
btw. if u have notices.. for cars that have problem with launching they actually jack the back up and engage the car into gear.. and drop the car down