Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

[marcush.]

the design shows no mechanical leverage on the hydraulic units so it`s just about linear in what the pushrod is delivering in stroke...So :any bubble any Give in the hydraulics will have a HUGE impact on the system as you have a linear but also VERY short stroke damper or ARB ,heave damper or what you happen do do with those hydraulic units.
They seem to have got on top of the system but I´m sure it was a taking them hydraulics experts a fair bitt of head scratching to get it working perfectly over and over again...
Why not designing the rockers to carry more mechanical advantage ? Admittedly it looks very nice..but you don´t need to make things harder for you than necessary..

[mep]

I wonder how they seperate roll from heave?
It has to be done passive to be legal.

[aleks_ader]

I wonder how they seperate roll from heave?
It has to be done passive to be legal.

Jep it must be pasive!

[dren]

I wonder how they seperate roll from heave?
It has to be done passive to be legal.

Maybe some sort of acceleration sensitive valve?

As for the pitch, Scarbs mentioned it could use brake line pressure to control a valve system.

[aleks_ader]

I wonder how they seperate roll from heave?
It has to be done passive to be legal.

Maybe some sort of acceleration sensitive valve?

As for the pitch, Scarbs mentioned it could use brake line pressure to control a valve system.

Guys could be posible if they made a giroscopic valve in that sys? I am afraid that could be a some sort of ilegel rotating device (TMS turned mass damper... This could be like a j damper or inerter saga?

[Metalrulz]

Gary Anderson has criticized the front wing on the mercedes stating that the wing is a nod to a 3 element wing but it is not a serious 3 element wing. he also states that because of the area on the front wing which has 3 elements it is getting separation issues in the middle of the wing which is not good as you want separation on the outside where it can be controlled.
As for the w03 there will be changes made and mistakes not repeated but in the bargain i personally feel that the team will overlook some other issues that would again have a negative effect on the car.

[Forza]

What we don't know about the above is its relation or connection to the front. That would be even more marvelous.

From the pic it seems that that it's only rear based system but it would interesting if they were going in the direction to link front and rear suspension. Some say that Ferrari designed and tested an interconnected passive suspension system which links the front and rear suspension.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Im surprised this hasnt been discussed before. But yea, rather a nice piece of kit this....

Anyway, there is talk of this system being used next year as Mercedes were reaping the benefits of it towards the end of the year.

The system benefits could become even more apparent with the advent of the longer wheelbased W03.

[aleks_ader]

But dont forget such system have many disadvatages, which Merc must repair or reduced!

i see the main problem such sys in use of fluid.. and termodynamic or fluidynamic laws are there the main problem to overcome... when fluid in the pistons due change of preassure that raised inernal energy of the fluid and cause unconvenient unstability for the driving...

-Merc with that reason mount on that system little "expansion" resevoir...

Other solution could be some sort of hybrid between hydro&conventional design... The sprigs could on the right place little even the hydrolink roll control!

[aleks_ader]

The system benefits could become even more apparent with the advent of the longer wheelbased W03.

No whay? That is not such factor for this type of suspention! The biggest factor is the downforce level on each wheel that could make the main difference in the roll and angle of atack control!

[ringo]

Why do the front and the back need to be linked in the case of F1?
And who says a passive system will react fast enough to be of any use.
Hydraulics are not good at transmitting forces or power over long distances efficiently. So i don't see passively connected front and rear very helpful.
First we have to look at what connecting front and rear is trying to achieve.
Then you have to look at the time frame in which this goal is to be achieved.
Should the system react in 0.05s? At what mechanical efficiency? etc.

How repeatable is it as the temperatures rise and so on.

[xpensive]

the design shows no mechanical leverage on the hydraulic units so it`s just about linear in what the pushrod is delivering in stroke....

Statically speaking you are correct marcush, but dynamically, we have litte idea of what active or not orifices might be hidden in there. In short, I love it!

[mep]

Maybe the system just doesnt feature a anti roll bar which might explain their problems with the rear suspension.

[ss01layinwheel]

Hey guys, I found this site a month or two ago and I'm really enjoying it. I work for a Mercedes dealer as a tech in the US. They have been using, very successfully, an "Active Body Control" hydraulic suspension system on alot of they're cars. Now this system is active and uses a pump at several hundred bar pressure. But it does not use an anti roll bar and some of the principles and experiance with a hydraulic system could theoretically cross over to F1.

Now I dont know what the rules are and how they are writen. Even though I have experiance diagnosing/fixing this system, I have no clue how the design and integration into a car works. I'm sure the factory could share some info with Brackley no?

Great insight and info on the cars and systems on here guys. everyone is very informative!

[atanatizante]

… I also expect … a really funky sidepod layout like the MP4-26 ...

Indeed, some people are already speaking on some forums about W03 having U-pods and a double floor style like Toro Rosso, together with a LWB but not so long like McLaren, due to the fact that they have had too much cooling needed.
With W03 they are trying to copy all the good ideas that have been seen on other cars in 2011. Therefore to replicate McLaren sidepods style has a good reason, bearing in mind that both teams has the same engine and the fact that MB has lots of problems with cooling this year.
Another issue is to rely on the trend launched by RB with the rake of the car. Does anybody know how much influence has had rake to the EBD performance this year? If it did then surely next year this trend will be dropped and I truly believe RB domination won`t be that big anymore…