Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

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mep wrote:Maybe the system just doesnt feature a anti roll bar which might explain their problems with the rear suspension.
But there's the point mep, an active- reactive- or passive orifice could, just like on the MP4-12C, make an ARB redundant.

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mep wrote:Maybe the system just doesnt feature a anti roll bar which might explain their problems with the rear suspension.
Scarbs noted that it looked like there were connections for an anti roll bar on top of the gearbox. He thought that possibly the team ran one earlier in the season, but the hydraulic set-up was perhaps the upgrade to solve their rear tire issues.
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ringo wrote:Why do the front and the back need to be linked in the case of F1?
And who says a passive system will react fast enough to be of any use.
Maybe to control the pitch of the car?

Scarbs noted that one team has been using such a system since 2009, and two other teams since last year.
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xpensive wrote:
mep wrote:Maybe the system just doesnt feature a anti roll bar which might explain their problems with the rear suspension.
But there's the point mep, an active- reactive- or passive orifice could, just like on the MP4-12C, make an ARB redundant.

Gaawd how I love that MGP layout, just turn it upside-down to make it a push-rod and I can die a happy man!
Well I also like the idea especially because I already had this one at least 3 years ago. Unfortunatelly I am not in charge to implement it to a race car. At least I can see them now doing it.
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At mep: As a die-hard hydraulic engineer, I could have bought the concept even if it was coming from Gary Anderson!

Or Michel Tetu...but hold on for a second now....
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Tyrell first ran the hydralink back in the day...which is Mercedes now :)
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96869

What do you all make of this? A point of mild concern for me is that it seems to imply that Merc will not participate at all during the first test. I sort of assumed that they will participate, but with a modified W02.

I wonder why they would miss it though? Perhaps designing and manufacturing the modified W02 parts would take up too much time.

A bit dissapointed, tbh. I was curious to see what they will bring to the test.
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NewtonMeter wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96869

What do you all make of this? A point of mild concern for me is that it seems to imply that Merc will not participate at all during the first test. I sort of assumed that they will participate, but with a modified W02.

I wonder why they would miss it though? Perhaps designing and manufacturing the modified W02 parts would take up too much time.

A bit dissapointed, tbh. I was curious to see what they will bring to the test.
Yeah based on the article itself it seems like Mercedes is not taking part at all in the first test but of course I don't hope thats true

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I don't think they'll show up at all. In 2010, when Red Bull were late to show the RB6 they did not turn up at the first test at all - not even with an RB5.

I imagine it has something to do with conserving resources - to get the most out of a testing session it almost certainly has to be administered by engineers who are concerned with the performance of the car, rather than just mobile mechanics - sending them out from the factory to do a test might be viewed as a waste of their already precious time, and might be potentially confusing if the W03 really is significantly different from the W02.

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Well Rosberg says just a few pieces need to be sorted on the track, so it sounds like the W03 will show up just about in race ready form. Let's hope there are no reliability issues.
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More on the Mercedes hydraulic suspension...

The engineer most likely responsible for it is Rob Tuluie, he was at Renault when they developed their hydraulic interlinked suspension in 2009. His work on the front to rear interlinking lead to the discovery of the inertance of the fluid in the long lines and hence to the Fluid Inerter patent. Tuluie has since left Renault for Mercedes.

Renault as well as Ferrari and Marussia have these systems. While I know Williams other teams are looking at this, as are other teams if they do not already have it.

It interlinks front to rear, the main gain is the reduction in nose down pitch from aero loads or under braking. something not achievable in a practical way with mechanical suspension links. This gain is to allow lower static front wing ride heights, that do not degrade with speed or weight transfer.

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Sorry to stray a bit off topic here but from what Brawn has said, the team seem to have realized they made a mistake going with a short wheelbase in 2011 and will be going for a longer wheelbase in 2012.
Didn't they make the same mistake at the beginning of 2010, only that they increased it during the season?
As I say I've gone off topic here but I just keep wondering why Mercedes didn't just increase the wheelbase during the 2011 season.
They just seemed so slow to react to anything.
The exhaust took forever for them to copy and even then , although they could have just copied Red Bull outright, knowing that their solution worked the best, they came up with an almost half hearted effort with shoddy workmanship leaving their exhaust without any covering like the top 3 and not extending as far back.
Sorry the thought just crept into my head and I'd love to know why they did this.

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In 2010 the issue was weight distribution. They altered the front and rear suspension to shift the weight distribution. In 2011 the issue was the car's high CofG due to the SWB along with reliability issues.
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scarbs wrote:More on the Mercedes hydraulic suspension...

The engineer most likely responsible for it is Rob Tuluie, he was at Renault when they developed their hydraulic interlinked suspension in 2009. His work on the front to rear interlinking lead to the discovery of the inertance of the fluid in the long lines and hence to the Fluid Inerter patent. Tuluie has since left Renault for Mercedes.

Renault as well as Ferrari and Marussia have these systems. While I know Williams other teams are looking at this, as are other teams if they do not already have it.

It interlinks front to rear, the main gain is the reduction in nose down pitch from aero loads or under braking. something not achievable in a practical way with mechanical suspension links. This gain is to allow lower static front wing ride heights, that do not degrade with speed or weight transfer.

Where can we read more?
And are these hydraulic circuits separate from the side damper?

What makes this interesting is that the system is not powered, ie it can't have any control valves.

Are there any articles or videos on AUDI's system.
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