n smikle wrote:ForMuLaOne wrote:n smikle wrote: It takes place on slop in our dimension. And Objects in free fall do have weight!
I really do have to leave you alone at this point. Objects of any mass are in a state of weightlessness when in free fall ( excluding aero effects: vacuum)
n smikle wrote:Gravity and elevation. Have you ever used a spirit level? tilt it around and the bubble rises to the highest point and the liquid goes to the lowest. The same happens to the oil and mercury in the system. I hope you get that part.
I get you there, can really tell that my spirit is at a high, because of your arguments. Throw your spirit level high up in the sky, and, as it comes back to you in free fall watch the bubble beeing in the middle, all surrounded by liquid. As if it was weightless.
You need to refresh your mind on what weight means. Terminal velocity only give a
feeling of weightlessness but you are
still in a gravitational field so you still have weight.
I should be the one leaving you for making such a rookie mistake. Your credibility has dropped a few levels. haha[/quote]
In free fall you do not have weight, but do still have mass. You only have weight when you have the potential to be accelerated at 1G. To test this jump out of a plane ( I would advise the use of a parachute ) with a scale in hand. On the way down stand on the scale and see if it reads anything.
No only have weight when there is a reaction. Your mass however remains where you left it.
Smikle, when you park you vehicle on a steep slope does it squat at the rear?
Mine does not.
The reason is that since the fluid is contained within a vessel under pressure, there is now fluid flow to allow the damper piston to move.
Until the car is placed in an orientation whereby the line of action of the weight acting through the tyres contact patch induces a torque sufficient to overcome the friction in the damper the piston remains at its rest position.
Now if a hooligan comes past and pushes down on the suspension, yes it will squat.
In your example you continuously assume a frcitionless piston under no pressure.
Something like my chums Citroen will squat at the rear because its suspension is pressurised externally by a pump. The SACHS dampers in my Golf are pressurised internally and have a platformed shim stack that is piston velocity sensitive. The Citroens is a simple fluid damper arrangement driven by fluid pressure.
You merely cite an example that suits your POV, and not a realistic example.
Why is this system not in violation of 10.1.2? Because it is designed to not violate the rule. The system responds to wheel loads and has sufficient platform to prevent fluid flow at inclinations that could reasonably be expected in a homologation test. Whether or not movement can be induced by a fancy combobulatron is irrelevant because ANY suspension will see movement at a present level of orientation induced load.
The policing of rules involves wording but there is also the "reasonable" aspect that is taken into account.
Reasonable means that the scrutineers accept that pistons and hydraulics involved in the suspension working are part of the system. They consider an outside, engine or electrically driven pump to be an external force and "Powered". Ask Charlie to explain this to you. He will sit you down somewhere quiet and go over the rules that relates to your question and provide his interpretation.
I and other have covered that over and over. If you and others chose not to see it then I see no point in further participation in this discussion. Its not a discussion any longer but a deliberate attempt to incite and maintain an arguement.
Example:
ForMuLaOne wrote: "You want to fix it by braking, then you have to live with the response of the suspension caused by the changing forces you have when the car is braked and the surface angle is changed. And to point it out ONCE again: Whenever you brake a car, the first thing that changes the whole system is the change of load applied to the wheel. There will never be a reaction of a mass inside the car BEFORE the load applied to the wheel has changed.
YOu Respond: "This doesn't change anything I said. Time doesn't matter. I gave an Isolated case to show that the system is sensitive to gravitational potential difference. You have to prove to me that it is not. If you place the car on a slope suspension in rest position then release it the suspension front suspension will continue to rise until it reaches an equilibrium.
So you load the dice in a direction that suits having an argument and not reading what he said.
Any suspension is potentially susceptible to gravitational potential. But the sensitivity is DESIGNED OUT. In this design, load threshold and Time are factors but you choose to ignore that because it suits having a revolving argument.
That's called trolling. Its a real shame that this forum has been allowed to be degraded to this level
