Refined them... specifically for racing use. The requirements are so dramatically different between the race and OE world, I question how externally useful the "R&D" is.SBR9 wrote:I think F1 has refined alot of things (oils/ fuels ,tires, ect.
Ferrari still call its f1 team its living R & D department.
Definitely agree on that....I don't think the mentality of racing is necessarily the same as to "invent" or "originate" something. The purpose in racing is simple, to be faster than the next guy. So they just look for ways to do that, and more often than not it leads them to apply something that was used elsewhere to solve similar problems they have. And with relatively restrictive rules it probably serve more to stifle development of something new and more prone to drive them into developing application specific solution...Jersey Tom wrote:Sure. But even if that's the case... certainly the exception rather than the rule.RacingManiac wrote:I still think something like inerter is pretty interesting, and it did find its first real world development and application in F1....
Could you name "that very same software"?Pingguest wrote:Since the late-1990s Formula 1 teams have been using very advanced software to determine the best possible pit stop strategy. That software also analyses the decisions taken by opponents. Currently that very same software is used by firms to determine their business strategy.
That makes it art, because art exists only to serve itself. I quite like that, actually.mx_tifoso wrote:So in conclusion: nothing originated here.
...probably neitherHail22 wrote:Was traction control derived from Formula 1 or the Audi Quattro rally car?
one benefit of all this refinement in F1 is that the engineers develop new techniques for manipulating these fuels, tires, etc, and can later manipulate (to a different end result) consumer versions of these items for our consumption.Jersey Tom wrote:Refined them... specifically for racing use. The requirements are so dramatically different between the race and OE world, I question how externally useful the "R&D" is.SBR9 wrote:I think F1 has refined alot of things (oils/ fuels ,tires, ect.
Ferrari still call its f1 team its living R & D department.
I'd say it's more the other way around.thisisatest wrote:one benefit of all this refinement in F1 is that the engineers develop new techniques for manipulating these fuels, tires, etc, and can later manipulate (to a different end result) consumer versions of these items for our consumption.Jersey Tom wrote:Refined them... specifically for racing use. The requirements are so dramatically different between the race and OE world, I question how externally useful the "R&D" is.SBR9 wrote:I think F1 has refined alot of things (oils/ fuels ,tires, ect.
Ferrari still call its f1 team its living R & D department.
The first motorcar in the world to have an engine with two overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder was the 1912 Peugeot L76 Grand Prix race car. GP cars were the equivalent of pre war F1. So 4V DOHC is genuine GP technology.engineer_roy wrote:F1 changed the combustion chamber of choice from Bath-Tub Overhead, through Hemispherical 2 Valve and onto the current choice of the mass market - Narrow Angle 4 Valve Technology. This superior technology was concieved 50 years ago and reigns supreme today.
Sorry to repost, I had to look at this online as I thought Dan Gurney invented the Gurney flap. From what I read on wiki, this looks like the first spoiler but the concept of downforce and cornering speed was not necessarily the aim, simply stability and cancellation of any lift. Well, okay that is downforce but a very basic understanding compared to how it was first used on F1 cars. Dan Gurney took the idea and then split it into front and rear and it stopped the cars simply understeering with huge drag.Bazza wrote:Automobile wings were first raced on a Porsche in the '50sPandamasque wrote:Jim Hall's Chaparral cars had active front and rear aero, suspension-mounted rear wings and ground effect (with fans!) in late 60-s and early 70-stimbo wrote:......possibly ground effect (although it seems that it was rather widely disseminated and one can trace it back to hydroplanes etc).
And don't even think of adding stepped noses into the list. (google Fiat Multipla)
Porsche, ever the opposite of whatever a fan of evolution is called, threatened to ragequit if the officials didn't ban said winged pig. So technically sports cars have the 'first cars to use aero properly' award.
Gurneys and end plates are two totally different thingsjenkF1 wrote:Sorry to repost, I had to look at this online as I thought Dan Gurney invented the Gurney flap. From what I read on wiki, this looks like the first spoiler but the concept of downforce and cornering speed was not necessarily the aim, simply stability and cancellation of any lift. Which you could argue is the same but really its pretty basic compared to what first sprout on F1 carsBazza wrote:Automobile wings were first raced on a Porsche in the '50sPandamasque wrote: Jim Hall's Chaparral cars had active front and rear aero, suspension-mounted rear wings and ground effect (with fans!) in late 60-s and early 70-s
And don't even think of adding stepped noses into the list. (google Fiat Multipla)
Porsche, ever the opposite of whatever a fan of evolution is called, threatened to ragequit if the officials didn't ban said winged pig. So technically sports cars have the 'first cars to use aero properly' award.
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