Top Gear!!

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Forgot to mention that a Z06 can easily compete and even beat an F430 at any track... getting better fuel economy while at it, and FOR CHEAPER. Don't give this sh*t about the Ferrari being nicer and whatever; in the end it's a sports car and if can't beat a "lowly" Corvette at a track, it's pretty hard to defend a Euro at that point.

Does it really matter that the Corvette can set a faster lap around a track, when only a very small percentage of owners take their £100k Ferrari's on a track?

On Top Gear it was commented that the ride is totally unacceptable, "Rather live with Bird Flu" I think was also said...

If you want a car that's fast around a track buy one of those road legal track cars.

getting better fuel economy

Ferrari's 4.3 Vs Corvette's 7.0......right

[m3_lover]

Forgot to mention that a Z06 can easily compete and even beat an F430 at any track... getting better fuel economy while at it, and FOR CHEAPER. Don't give this sh*t about the Ferrari being nicer and whatever; in the end it's a sports car and if can't beat a "lowly" Corvette at a track, it's pretty hard to defend a Euro at that point.

Does it really matter that the Corvette can set a faster lap around a track, when only a very small percentage of owners take their £100k Ferrari's on a track?

On Top Gear it was commented that the ride is totally unacceptable, "Rather live with Bird Flu" I think was also said...

If you want a car that's fast around a track buy one of those road legal track cars.

getting better fuel economy

Ferrari's 4.3 Vs Corvette's 7.0......right

You should really do your homework before you say something that will make you look stupid, which I will do in acouple of sentences. It is true that the Corvette has better fuel economy then the Ferrari 430


"C6 Z06 FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg"

Source road and track

"Ferrari 430 Fuel Economy
EPA city driving: 11 mpg
EPA highway driving: 16 mpg"

Source Road and Track

"The C6 Corvette Z06 is the first 500+ hp production car to avoid the US government Gas Guzzler tax."

[zac510]

West, the S7 was designed in UK

[West]

Does it really matter that the Corvette can set a faster lap around a track, when only a very small percentage of owners take their £100k Ferrari's on a track?

Yes, then what's the point of owning a Ferrari? I guess PERFORMANCE is out of the question. A Ferrari is a POSERMOBILE at that point

Clarkson is a fatass and needs to lose weight... maybe then he wouldn't find the ride so harsh

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthr ... 562&page=3

Read the huge post at the bottom of the page.

More editing: Zac I'm aware that the S7 is designed in Europe. However I didn't mention it because:

1: I totally forgot about it
2: Corvette has always had it's number for years.
3: It's not a car you can get for around 70-80 K USD

[zac510]

No probs - I really don't care too much for the cross atlantic bickering myself

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You should really do your homework before you say something that will make you look stupid, which I will do in acouple of sentences. It is true that the Corvette has better fuel economy then the Ferrari 430

Well I was basing it on the fact that most cars made in America are hugely uneconomical, so I was hugely surprised that they managed to make a car more economical than a Ferrari

What is more impressive is that the F430 has a 490Bhp from a 4.3, whereas the Corvette can only manage 500Bhp from a 7 litre.

Yes, then what's the point of owning a Ferrari? I guess PERFORMANCE is out of the question. A Ferrari is a POSERMOBILE at that point

When the Nissan Skyline came into production it was said that it would lap a track faster than a Ferrari or Porsche etc.. Now this wouldn't deter people from buying a Ferrari, like I said before it's the experience of driving this supercar, that makes people buy it.

[West]

I wouldn't have said anything if people said American cars were crap. There's a bunch of POS cars from every country anyway.

I believe the whole hp/liter thing is garbage because I can't think of anybody who looks at this stat when buying a car. A Honda S2000 has better hp/liter than a Corvette, but the Corvette still smokes its ass on a track. And they get the same mileage on the freeway.

America's style of supercar comes from big V8s because that's the way the car has evolved since the 1950's as far as I know. The technology is relatively cheaper. A cheap sports car is better than an expensive sports car, no matter what the price or name. A Corvette or Mustang or Viper wouldn't have the same attitude if we gave it a small-displacement engine - it loses its heritage and its soul.

It's sad that the fact that Enzo wanted people to buy his cars for performance is dead. Nowadays people are buying Ferraris just for the sake of owning one (opinion) and telling people they own a Ferrari, without even realizing the potential. To me that is crap and I believe Enzo would agree himself. Nowadays Ferraris are getting fatter and the company has to compensate with bigger engines. And people talking sh*t about America having huge engines...

That said, the only Ferrari I would own is an F40 - the last car I can think of that actually would have the soul of Ferrari. Regardless it's not as fast as today's cars, I would tear that sh*t up on the track. To me, its the only car that is first a race car and second a road car. To me that's what a real Ferrari is about.

If you look at fuel consumption of American cars as sh*t, you probably are thinking of the SUVs. The big three have compact cars that make decent fuel economy, and they are even cheaper than Japanese cars.

To conclude this harangue: if anybody talks sh*t about my country's cars, I will return the favor.

[dumrick]

To conclude this harangue: if anybody talks sh*t about my country's cars, I will return the favor.

Yeah???? I would like you to DARE to say anything about my country's cars!!!!
(Sorry, couldn't resist....)

[Ted68]

The point I was trying to make was that they are all cool, fun and fast cars that not one of us would turn down. So why argue?

I have owned a '75 Ferrari-Dino 308 GTB4, '91 Porsche 928 GT, a '71 Corvette LT-1, and a Saleen Mustang--I in fact used to work at Saleen in 1989-90 as a suspension/brake mechanic. Right now I have the '89 Saleen and a 1979 Porsche 930 that is apart for restoration, as it has been for two years now. All bought for less than the price of a new Honda Accord.

They all have their quirks, pain-in-the-butt aspects, and they're all fun. Regardless of country of origin.

[West]

We owned a 84 928. My dad loves that car.

[[EDF]Fx]

I saw something interesting on CBS 60 minutes and I think it was that really old one Andy something. He had 2 lists on cars being sold in the US, top 20 and crap 20. On the top 20 i think it was something like 2 that were actually american and on the crap list it was the otherway around.

My point is not actually a point but a question, how is the american manufacturers doing against the Japanese competition ? If there something on the news over here then its usually GM or Ford posting heavy losses or cutting jobs I almost never hear something positive.

/ Fx

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I dont see the need fr all this harsh and abrasing arguing, as if dissing a corvette or a ferrari is akin to calling an entire nation inferior.

Lets just face it, the Z06 is a great car (this remember is coming from someboby who hates corvettes!) it is fan-bloody-tastic. Personally I'd rather have the Ferrari, not because its European, not because its "Bettter" but because its a bit more of a "Dream Car" down to the name, the sheer great cost of the damned thing and its so staggeringly fast.

Faster or not the chevy still bloody fast, but I personally wouldn't like it as much as the Fezza cause its just doesnt have that Je n'ai c'est quoi. That certain something, that auora of exclusivity that the Ferrari has.

Just a personal opinion thats all.

Its worth noting though that if I won £80,000, I wouldn't be waiting and saving for the Fezza...I'd be stright down to the local Chevy dealer! lol!!!

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Lets just face it, the Z06 is a great car (this remember is coming from someboby who hates corvettes!) it is fan-bloody-tastic. Personally I'd rather have the Ferrari, not because its European, not because its "Bettter" but because its a bit more of a "Dream Car" down to the name, the sheer great cost of the damned thing and its so staggeringly fast.

Exactly.

[Ted68]

[EDF]fx, Ford and GM's problems are all rooted in bad management. Honda proved at it's Ohio plant that the American workforce can build equal quality to the Japanese. In fact, even exporting the American made cars to Japan and ROW when the Yen/Dollar balance swings. But Ford and GM, for some reason, can't seem to learn from Honda that a happy worker is a productive worker. Not to mention the fact that those workers are building brand new old cars.

While Honda introduces a new platform for each model every eight years, with updates of that platform at four years, GM and Ford both have cars on sale here (Ford's Crown Victoria and Chevrolet's just recently euthanised Cavalier) that were designed in the 1970's! The accountants loved the amortised tooling, while rental, corporate and Police fleets kept sales acceptable. But the public stayed away in droves. It's starting to change for the better, but both corporations earned their reputations for building outdated cars of indifferent quality.

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Nowadays Ferrari's are getting fatter

The Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale weighs 1280kg
The Corvette Z06 weighs 1420kg

...still smokes its ass on a track. A Corvette or Mustang or Viper wouldn't have the same attitude if we gave it a small-displacement engine - it loses its heritage and its soul.

A lotus, that has half as many cylinders, an engine that's only a third the size, completely wasted a Mustang on the track.