Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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retpog55 wrote:"Put your medals on the table Nico." That's all i'd be thinking if i was MSC. Mercedes, Sauber and Mclaren have the closest battle in the field for their number one driver slot.

Schumacher has something that Nico doesnt and that is a more competitive edge. He has not been able to unleash this side of himself for Mercedes yet. In Monza and Canada we witnessed glimpses of his alter-ego and true racing persona. Even in his final year or two for Ferrari you saw that the car was not as competitive due to tyres etc and Schumacher spent much of his time during races cruising along in 5th, 6th, 7th relatively care free. Nico is very talented and competitive but he has had a strong motivation even if the car has not been able to challenge for championships, he wants to beat the seven time world champion Michael Schumacher. He has done that two years in a row but i think there is more motivation there for Nico than there is for Michael to beat a youngster, Schumacher needs bigger fish to fry in order to really get himself switched on into competitive mode.

If the W03 is competitive and MSC gets the bit between his teeth then you will see a completely different Michael. At the moment we have the relaxed and more mellow Schumacher "i'm having fun" "i enjoyed the race today" etc. Give him the motivation and the competitive car he requires and then let the fun really begin.
If the W03 is competitive, you'll see a new extremely badass Nico. Ready to wipe the floor with Mike.
wouldn't comment Nico beating Michael, it happened before...so nothing new there..

But Nico being a badass :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's everything.....but not a badass :lol: ...

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Ferraripilot wrote:I don't think we're giving Schu enough credit on his race pace. Nico has had time to hone is race pace prowess and it's average. Schu on the other hand is as aggressive as they come. I can't imagine Nico having it out with Hamilton the same way we all know Schu is able to. The second half of '11 Schu progressed well in his race prowess and I see no reason why that would not continue. Also, I he was consciously setting up W02 for race pace so I fully expect W03 to be a more balanced car regardless of fuel load meaning Schu can set the car up and essentially 'go' hopefully meaning his qualy pace will pick up a bit. That's all he's missing is qualy speed, which is something he was always pretty good at but he was no Senna. He's just beat Vettel at the race of champions for crying out loud. He's got *it* in him somewhere, he just has to dig it out.
It's impossible for him to beat Rosberg now. He won't be getting any better he will be getting worse. Schumi's mind is in tact, his memory has not withered so he knows all the best race lines and braking points and he is a very fast learner. On the inside he is the same old ruthless, witty, intelligent, tactical, maniacal racer that he was in the past. The man is just older and slower.

Since racing is going to be so close this year theWO3 is no longer in a group of it's own like WO2, so Schumi won't have a path cleared to Rosberg's gearbox like last year. That's one of the main reasons why he was so close on points, the cars were gravitating to 7th and 8th place in the races.
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Qualy:
Rosberg P2
Schumy P3

Race:
Rosberg: P4
Schumy: P3

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n smikle wrote:Since racing is going to be so close this year theWO3 is no longer in a group of it's own like WO2, so Schumi won't have a path cleared to Rosberg's gearbox like last year. That's one of the main reasons why he was so close on points, the cars were gravitating to 7th and 8th place in the races.
Good point. I wonder if this will show better for Schumacher or Rosberg. With the field so tight, it will be of more benefit to qualify better this year. If Rosberg remains ahead in this area, he will likely finish ahead after the races too.
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rosberg spent last season tucked up behind 6 faster cars
schu spent it overtaking slower cars ...much easier to look good
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It depends on how effective DRS is. If DRS is effective in what the OWG want it to do - then we probably will get more "Noah's Ark" finishes. Which I'm not a fan of.
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I wonder what races you watched ..it´s funny how people want to talk Schumachers performances small.He is just outstanding in wheel to wheel fights and he is not dropping the ball .
i do not remember rosberg on similar charges ever .He seems to be uncompromising in wheel to wheel racing only when he is fighting with Schumacher.
Schu was in no ways profiting from the car being in its own league.Far from it .It was more like Schumacher climbing up and Rosberg falling down from their Grid positions and MS breathed down Rosbergs neck or was/got in front when it came to racing against each other .so simply said there was no race speed advantage for Nico ,end of story.
Schumacher clearly had more incidents last year but that was a factor of his choice to setup the car 100% for the race but he had more technical related dnfs not in his hands(Montecarlo +Hungary come to mind in both races points were lost).
Rosberg is clearly better in qualy ,but that´s not worth a lot these days and this very fact tells us WHY Schumacher gave up grid position to not compromise his race performance.
Or would someone believe Rosberg is a full second or more quicker than Schumacher AND Mercedes still offering him a racing seat?
Schumacher has outperformed Rosberg in several races last year I´d say it was a 50/50 situation reflected by the close points situation (which driver pairing was as close in the time table? it was closer than Button vs Hamilton ..but then Hamilton is the better of these two ,isn´t he?).
Let´s be happy to have Nico and Schumacher moving forward and have fun speculating who will be the first to win in a silver arrow..
Rosberg has to prove himself this year as a grand prix winner,but my gut feeling is :Schumacher will deliver when it starts to count.

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marcush. wrote:I wonder what races you watched ..it´s funny how people want to talk Schumachers performances small.He is just outstanding in wheel to wheel fights and he is not dropping the ball .
i do not remember rosberg on similar charges ever .He seems to be uncompromising in wheel to wheel racing only when he is fighting with Schumacher.
Schu was in no ways profiting from the car being in its own league.Far from it .It was more like Schumacher climbing up and Rosberg falling down from their Grid positions and MS breathed down Rosbergs neck or was/got in front when it came to racing against each other .so simply said there was no race speed advantage for Nico ,end of story.
Schumacher clearly had more incidents last year but that was a factor of his choice to setup the car 100% for the race but he had more technical related dnfs not in his hands(Montecarlo +Hungary come to mind in both races points were lost).
Rosberg is clearly better in qualy ,but that´s not worth a lot these days and this very fact tells us WHY Schumacher gave up grid position to not compromise his race performance.
Or would someone believe Rosberg is a full second or more quicker than Schumacher AND Mercedes still offering him a racing seat?
Schumacher has outperformed Rosberg in several races last year I´d say it was a 50/50 situation reflected by the close points situation (which driver pairing was as close in the time table? it was closer than Button vs Hamilton ..but then Hamilton is the better of these two ,isn´t he?).
Let´s be happy to have Nico and Schumacher moving forward and have fun speculating who will be the first to win in a silver arrow..
Rosberg has to prove himself this year as a grand prix winner,but my gut feeling is :Schumacher will deliver when it starts to count.
and yet... I don't remember Mike leading Rosberg in points at any time during their partnership.
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it is possible to derive anything from statistics , in 2010 Rosberg had several podiums ,last year zero for example...but that was not owed to the brilliance of car and driver but more so circumstances.
We should look forward not try to find an answer in history.The 7 championships do not mean anything when it comes to winning a race ...apart from your competitors getting a kick out of the fact not conceeding defeat from a multiple champ.
this was more than obvious with some drivers -Alguesuari and Petrov spring to mind who seemed to really wake up when Schu ( or alonso) were near them .

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I believe that the closer the AMG squad is getting to the sharp end of the field, the more important the grid position will be,
8th or 12th might not matter that much, but 3rd or 6th will be like day or night for the chance to get a podium or more.

In that context, my money is on Keke's offspring.
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Agree, just what I was thinking. It seems several teams will be nipping at those positions.
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Pierce89 wrote:
marcush. wrote:I wonder what races you watched ..it´s funny how people want to talk Schumachers performances small.He is just outstanding in wheel to wheel fights and he is not dropping the ball .
i do not remember rosberg on similar charges ever .He seems to be uncompromising in wheel to wheel racing only when he is fighting with Schumacher.
Schu was in no ways profiting from the car being in its own league.Far from it .It was more like Schumacher climbing up and Rosberg falling down from their Grid positions and MS breathed down Rosbergs neck or was/got in front when it came to racing against each other .so simply said there was no race speed advantage for Nico ,end of story.
Schumacher clearly had more incidents last year but that was a factor of his choice to setup the car 100% for the race but he had more technical related dnfs not in his hands(Montecarlo +Hungary come to mind in both races points were lost).
Rosberg is clearly better in qualy ,but that´s not worth a lot these days and this very fact tells us WHY Schumacher gave up grid position to not compromise his race performance.
Or would someone believe Rosberg is a full second or more quicker than Schumacher AND Mercedes still offering him a racing seat?
Schumacher has outperformed Rosberg in several races last year I´d say it was a 50/50 situation reflected by the close points situation (which driver pairing was as close in the time table? it was closer than Button vs Hamilton ..but then Hamilton is the better of these two ,isn´t he?).
Let´s be happy to have Nico and Schumacher moving forward and have fun speculating who will be the first to win in a silver arrow..
Rosberg has to prove himself this year as a grand prix winner,but my gut feeling is :Schumacher will deliver when it starts to count.
and yet... I don't remember Mike leading Rosberg in points at any time during their partnership.
And yet, you are wrong. Michael lead Nico after Malaysia 2011.

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sure Schumacher has not yet met his own expectations in his new career but so has Rosberg -the target clearly was winning races and challenging for the championship .
so really both were underachieving .
If someone wants to derive anything from history we can conclude Schumacher is closing in on Rosberg not losing ground.schumacher is the one who has bagged wins and tiles with equipment just good enough to win .Rosberg has yet to prove himself as a GP winner.

I have my doubts if he is good enough to outscore Schumacher this year.

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I dont understand why Marcush.

Rosberg has just been better than Schumacher. There have been odd occasions when Schuamcher has looked his old self(Spa 2011). But the trend is certainly that Rosberg outqualfies and outscores Schumacher.

And Schumacher has won 90 odd Gps, where does that put Rosberg? When the Ferrari was poor, Schuamcher still beat his team mates....

I put it to you that you are hoping Schumacher outscores Rosberg, due to past allegiances. Schumacher outscoring Rosberg this year is based on nothing we have learnt these last 2 years.
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Let's face it, if Nico 26 cannot beat Michael 43 over this season, his career in F1 could very well be effectively over.

Schumacher might be a physical phenomenon, but time closes in on everyone when it comes to reflexes and responsiveness,
it's simply not reasonable that a 17 year older driver should have the edge, this is Nico's 7th season in F1 after all.
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