HRT 2012

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ESPImperium
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Ive done the math, and personally to think now there should be a rule where teams have to complete 4 days testing before they can compete in the championship. This way it stops situations like this. Id also make it that teams have to have at least 2 chassis fully shaken down as well. Id also like to see the teams that get put out in Q1 have to wait for the Q3 pole time to see if they can get in as well.

The math ive done is that PdlR is 10.004% off pole and Narain Karthikeyan is 10.179% off pole. When the top 20 are within 4.8% of each other id say the teams from the top to Caterham have all made progress, however Marussia have made some progress, but are in a simmilar posistion to Hispania.

The F112 is a car still in the rough, there is problems with it. It is still an unfinished launch spec, it also has mechanichal issues as well. Once it has got theese sorted i think the car wont be so bad, however i feel they are lacking direction. This is looking to be a hard year, a year that i think that will see Hispania struggle with the 107% thru the year.

Untill they get a experienced TD and a decent anough design team in place i think they will constantly struggle. I just dont understand why they went to Madrid and didnt do to the old Epsilon facility that has the space and facility they need to develop the car in house, with their own CFD and Tunnel team.

However they have improved to last year as here is last years times and % to Pole, however have looked to be in slight decline to the 2010 car, and that did not change all that year, just 2 small updates were dont to that car, the wing mirrors and the paint scheme.

F111 in 2011:
Vitantonio Liuzzi - 92.978 seconds = 11.312%
Narain Karthikeyan - 94.293 seconds = 12.887%

F112 in 2012:
Pedro de la Rosa - 93.495 seconds = 10.004%
Narain Karthikeyan - 93.643 seconds = 10.179%

F110 in 2010:
Bruno Senna - 90.526 seconds = 7.873%
Karun Chandhok - 90.613 seconds = 7.977%

All arround Albert Park.

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mith
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Ian P. wrote:If you are 7% off the pace you would (theoretically) get 14 laps before being overtaken by the leaders.
Yeah, I can also divide 100 by 7 ;) Just didn't bother to do so, so I've written 'around 15' ;)
Ian P. wrote:If you are 7% off the pace you would (theoretically) get 14 laps before being overtaken by the leaders.
If your idea of proper racing is something like the video below shows, of course you'd be glad to strip 107% rule. But then why bother to have cars on track, if you could have achieved pretty much the same effect by just randomly placing few wooden sticks here and there...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-00ZN7frY[/youtube]

element
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ESPImperium wrote: ...
Untill they get a experienced TD and a decent anough design team in place i think they will constantly struggle. I just dont understand why they went to Madrid and didnt do to the old Epsilon facility that has the space and facility they need to develop the car in house, with their own CFD and Tunnel team.
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Epsilon was co owned by the Basque Country government and had deep debts. It is now closed and all stuff fired, facilities probably will be sold to pay creditors unless a buyer pops up, which is difficult in the middle of economic recession. It's sad, but that's what happens when politicians are involved, the target shift from the main focus to others that only populist politicians have.

cbbcisace
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I still believe the F112 will be quite comfortably within the 107% when they have full power steering and the DRS is functioning probably...

EDIT: I agree with ESPI though they need an experienced TD to get a better understanding, since this is the first car the team have produced.

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I was checking the top speeds in qualifying, Narain had a decet 302.4 without DRS. I wonder If the Marussias used the DRS in quilifying... also RBR and Ferrari's top speed is quite low, I know top speed is just one factor, but it doesn't help overtaking when you are such slow in the DRS zone. The Caterhams were around 5 kph faster, which I think the DRS can provide more than those 5kmph for HRT.

Alexgtt
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willga wrote:Andrea Moda anyone?
Have a read here. #-o HRT are nowhere near as bad.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/32421.html

Petroltorque
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Perry McArthy's book is a must read for any formula 1 fan. Pure Comedy Gold!

Alexgtt
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Petroltorque wrote:Perry McArthy's book is a must read for any formula 1 fan. Pure Comedy Gold!
+1. :lol: Indeed, must dig that out and have another read. Poor ol'Perry. To have the worst team in history screw you over as your only break in F1 must be galling. He deserved better.

So, am I correct in the understanding that the HRT's didn't have failing PAS, but actually had PAS that was never going to work?

cbbcisace
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They had power steering it just didn't work

charan0790
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if u'll see the fastest laps of marussia in the race they were Timo Glock 1:34.25 , Charles Pic 45 1:35.011...and the best of HRT times were 1.33.5. without DRS and power steering.. so basically they did their laps in race mode but with less fuel load..what i am suggesting is that the car doesn't seem to be too bad..except for the issues. :)

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NathanOlder
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Alexgtt wrote:
willga wrote:Andrea Moda anyone?
Have a read here. #-o HRT are nowhere near as bad.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/32421.html

Fantastic Read =D>
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fussell
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Classic! When you think it can't get any worse. HRT aren't too bad guys

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charan0790 wrote:if u'll see the fastest laps of marussia in the race they were Timo Glock 1:34.25 , Charles Pic 45 1:35.011...and the best of HRT times were 1.33.5. without DRS and power steering.. so basically they did their laps in race mode but with less fuel load..what i am suggesting is that the car doesn't seem to be too bad..except for the issues. :)
What is that for bogus assumption? in the same session Marussia was faster than HRT so basically they did their laps in race mode but with less fuel load..what i am suggesting is that the car doesn't seem to be too bad..except for possible issues
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cbbcisace
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The issues should be fixed shortly...

Trocola
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wesley123 wrote:
charan0790 wrote:if u'll see the fastest laps of marussia in the race they were Timo Glock 1:34.25 , Charles Pic 45 1:35.011...and the best of HRT times were 1.33.5. without DRS and power steering.. so basically they did their laps in race mode but with less fuel load..what i am suggesting is that the car doesn't seem to be too bad..except for the issues. :)
What is that for bogus assumption? in the same session Marussia was faster than HRT so basically they did their laps in race mode but with less fuel load..what i am suggesting is that the car doesn't seem to be too bad..except for possible issues
They were faster... with DRS and power steering.


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