F1 Radiators

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F1 Radiators

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We saw many times engine overheats and then explodes during a race weekend, this may be caused from a leakage in the radiator then cause the engine to overheat. In the article below I explain how an F1 radiator works and how it is made. Enjoy F1 Technical Fans.When the heat’s on, it’s up to F1’s radiators to cap the soaring temperatures of the cooling water and the engine oil.

Never mind ‘keep cool and take it easy’: a F1 radiator has a mighty tough job to do, rejecting as it must about 200 kilowatts of heat. That’s the equivalent of 270 horsepower.

‘The internal combustion engine is only 35 % efficient, so we have to manage the heat rejection to keep the engine cool enough to deliver its power’.

Made of aluminium and replaced after every race, an F1 radiator actually consists of three separate radiators stacked horizontally, with a pipe leading from the cylinder head into the top radiator. The top and bottom radiators function as a loop, with a pipe exiting from the top radiator to feed the water to the bottom one, and a further pipe leaving the end of that to return the cooled water to the engine.

The middle radiator is separate, because its job is to cool not the water but the engine oil. Its central location affords the oil radiator better protection from any debris which might block it. ‘This is important, at the start of the race, you need to have the best possible water cooling, but in the race itself, oil cooling becomes more important. You want the oil radiator to go on working effectively even when the car picks up dirt and debris during the race’.

Manufactured by an aluminium braising process, the core or ‘matrix’ of each radiator is what makes it effective, with its mass of fins providing the maximum possible surface area for the dissipation of heat as the oil or water travels through the radiator’s tubes. The construction of the radiator takes matter further, because the fins on the water radiators are louvered , helping to cool the water by approximately 7 degrees Celsius while heating the ambient air by 60 degrees Celsius.

To help it handle higher back pressures, the oil radiator is not tubular but is made using a plate-and-bar construction. This also helps achieve an even greater reduction in heat, with the oil temperature dropping 35 degrees Celsius on its passage through the unit.


Its when the car is stationary on the grid that the radiator has to cope with the toughest conditions, because here there is no air being forced over its fins by the forward motion of the car. This is why each radiator is connected to a carbon reservoir or expansion chamber. The reservoir acts as a soft spring in the system, allowing for the expansion of water and containing it. As the water temperature rises to near boiling, it expands and overflows into the reservoir, but it cannot escape, and once the car is under way it can be used again.

‘The FIA stipulates the maximum water pressure at which we are allowed to operate. Its 3.75 bar and at that level water boils at 150 degrees Celsius instead of 100 degrees Celsius . Most teams run close to the limit, because running at high pressure ensures that you don’t boil over on the grid, especially if you are starting from the front and thus having to wait longer at a standstill. Once the car is on the move, temperatures fall rapidly and we have to ensure that we have enough pressure at the new running temperature to keep the water from boiling’.

Talk about keeping cool under pressure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

SpeedTech
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Thanks for the insight :wink:

rollo
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I wonder what they're using for the engine coolant. Something like propylene glycol? :?:

marcush.
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well it is very difficult to find something better suited to cooling as water,but they add some agents for lubrication and maybe corrosion inhibitors and agents to reduce surface tension.

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marcush. wrote:well it is very difficult to find something better suited to cooling as water,but they add some agents for lubrication and maybe corrosion inhibitors and agents to reduce surface tension.
yeah, i agree. redline has a product out called water wetter, and it allows the engine to run 26d cooler than antifreeze will allow it. it doesnt protect against freezing though, but it does act as a lubricant.
i live in vegas, and in the middle of summer i can drive from vegas to l.a. in the heat of the day with no radiator fan on my crx at 120mph up a long incline without running above normal. its simply beautiful.

marcush.
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well ,if you look at that product (water wetter),I bet it is just the same as the high performance coolant used by VW and others used today.
It smells the same and if you look at the color it has the same red pinkish
shine that changes when you shake the bottle to red with a touch of blue ,almost violet .......it´s hard to describe.
The difference to plain water ,maybe destilled or desalted is not spectacular in my experience ,but it is measurable : 5°C was my findings,but this seems to depend on the engine ,it´s problems with cavitation and ambient temps.

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I am sure that Ferrari was using at Sepang the double inclined radiator which was firstly introduced in the F2002. But after looking at this picture i have some doubts. Is this black thing (next to driver's seat) the radiator? If yes, then it has nothing to do with double inclination as its upper side is perfectly with the horizontal axis of the car. So, if this is the radiator, then we are talking simply about an inclined radiator like Minardi's one. IMO this is unbelievable. Could anyone tell me if this is the radiator?

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Here's the pic.

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walter
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The metallic looking thing is indeed the radiator, or the plumbing for it. and there is no doubt that ferrari has the best radiator positioning. These radiators are not rectangles, they're custom made shapes that conform to the curve of the walls of the engine bay. They are definetly tilted in many ways.

marcush.
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As much as I have seen ,Ferrari radiators are sculptured or curved not only in one plane but they even curve or bend the cooler matrix.

This in itself is nothing new , any Superbike or other Racingbike uses
something like that for years.
It is really easy to do ,you just pu it into a press and use appropriate dies
on top and beneath and voila you have a curved radiator.
This way you can maximise the cooling area .
Interestingly enough the Inlet ducts of modern F1 cars remain quite short
whereas a longer duct could indeed lessen the drag created by the coolers considerably.

Monstrobolaxa
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At the 1996 French GP when Shummy broke his engine on the warm up lap....his right hand side radiator also broke and I say a pic of a white liquid....later I found out what it was it's an oil that is also used when cutting metal it's known for it's fantastic properties....cause it absorves heat from one place and it disipates heat in a colder place...in F1's case the radiator. This oil comes in a concentrated formula that usually is mixed with water to become more fluid.

I'll post back when I find the name of this oil, I know Ferrari used it in the past....don't know if any team still uses it...but my guess would be: yes...cause it's better then water and it's boiling point is much over 100ºC.....add an extra pressure.....and i might go over 200/250º or higher.

marcush.
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short comment onthe boiling temps:
The boiling point is not the interesting thing,as you could actually put antifreeze into the thing and have no boiling problems.
The interesting thing is ,that water has incredible heat transfer capabilities ,only handicapped by the boiling point,wich of course can be controlled by the waterpressure of 3.75bars.
If you add antifreeze to the water you increase the boiling point also but considerably less energy gets gets absorbed and transferrred to the rads.
leading to higher engine temps.
The oil you mentioned is a product to reduce surface tension and as far as I know it is used in Newspaper Printing I do not remember what it was
but maybe I find it in my notes somewhere.

Monstrobolaxa
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Well....about the boiling temp.....it is of some importance.....if you pass the boiling point vapour will be produced.....and if you mix a fluid and vapour in a closed system as the refrigeration system.....you could have vapour lock.....which would decrease the ability to cool down the engine.

This also happens in brakes.....there's an article about this in this months "RaceCar Engineering" magazine...it's about a new alcon brake caliper that cools down the pistons....so that the brake fluid temp doesn't go over a critical temp.......or else....the vapour lock fenomenon....and....almost no brakes....

The same thing happened to my prototype in 2001 due to the lack of space in the engine bay......the fuel lines got hot and and the fuel vapour caused vapour lock.....so we weren't able to find the problem in time for the race....so we couldn't start the engine....cause barely any fuel was reaching the engine.

pyry
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monstrobalanxa, why the --- cant you use a normal capital stop like everyone else, that is overwhelmingly annoying when you use the ..... between every sentence. please behave like a normal person, it gives an very arrogant and knowitall perception

Monstrobolaxa
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Sorry pyry, that isn't the idea. It's just because since english isn't my mother language i sometime have a hard time to express exactly what I want to say...so I use the "...." in order to show that the sentence is supposed to continue but I cannot express what I want to say...so I use them to continue an idea. Or in some cases it's just to cut the sentence short without having to explain every little detail, cause everyone is getting a general idea of what I'm trying to explain without having to go into detail.

PS- don't have to be rude....but I'll try to correct it.