Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Med4224]

MANCHILD...
lol, it is well documented and conversed over that MS is not a top erner in F1 since his comback. I think Brundle or someone stated that he is only earning a reported 6 or 7 mil a year. that is on par with what button got before his WDC. anyway....MS's marketability alone brings in way more than they pay him, hell i think the merc AMG MS merch they sell covers that...couple that with the fact that he is still chasing the young guns around and would probably make vettel look silly in the same car..he is a VERY good deal to any team at that price IMO...i wouldnt even be surprized if Merc pay's "always-P7 -Britneys " salary with a fraction of the money Ms brings to the team ....

hahaha

The argument about the sense of Michael being in this sport now is very silly now

Quali is one of the most demanding aspects, and he is doing that superbly against the top at 43.... that is greatness

[Med4224]

1. As for the starts, you cannot really compare yet. Michael was starting way down the grid, a Mclaren isn't a Force India after all. Michael had a very good start in Australia. Today he had a bad one by his own fault. But it would be unreasonable to expect him to take on more than 1 position if he is qualifying so high considering who is ahead.

2. On the exhaust issue. Spot on. Mercedes was caught napping last year with the EBD, and this year again. Brawn went on to call the other solutions to be "questionable" which means such exhaust solutions didn't even occur to them. There seems to be a weakness in that area for the 2nd year in a row.

3. On the tyre issue, it is simply baffling. Since 2010 on this forum many people remarked that this team -Honda - Brawn - Mercedes- had tyre problems, since the early 2000s. The front tyres seem to be acceptable this year, but the rear is the same as last year. The window for the tyres to work is very tight, and so far, they couldn't reach it once, and they overshot it today. Brawn remarked that solving the tyre issue is all they will do till next race... something is really strange there.

[valachus]

1. As for the starts, you cannot really compare yet. Michael was starting way down the grid, a Mclaren isn't a Force India after all. Michael had a very good start in Australia. Today he had a bad one by his own fault. But it would be unreasonable to expect him to take on more than 1 position if he is qualifying so high considering who is ahead.

2. On the exhaust issue. Spot on. Mercedes was caught napping last year with the EBD, and this year again. Brawn went on to call the other solutions to be "questionable" which means such exhaust solutions didn't even occur to them. There seems to be a weakness in that area for the 2nd year in a row.

3. On the tyre issue, it is simply baffling. Since 2010 on this forum many people remarked that this team -Honda - Brawn - Mercedes- had tyre problems, since the early 2000s. The front tyres seem to be acceptable this year, but the rear is the same as last year. The window for the tyres to work is very tight, and so far, they couldn't reach it once, and they overshot it today. Brawn remarked that solving the tyre issue is all they will do till next race... something is really strange there.

Hm. I didn't look on the internet to see if there are shape-memory rubber compounds on the market... there are, it appears: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 201154.htm
" the new material is transparent... engineers will be able to control the speed at which it returns to its original shape... at higher temperatures the material stretches like a rubber band, but, at lower temperatures, it stiffens up"
Now these temperature-triggered transitions can be fine tuned for temperature triggers and when they happen they're very quick and involve extremely strong forces - so I'm thinking perhaps that's [one of] the way[s] Pirelli are controlling the self-destruct sequence of the tyres - via a "fishnet" [can't find a proper English word right now], or layers of "fishnets", of such a material, imbedded in the tyre... And it's impossible to control that shape transition sequence by tweaking only the way mechanical forces act on the rubber, or the temperature of the contact patch with the road.
A tyre has an approximate 2 m of circumference... so, unless the temperature of the air that comes in contact with that material is more or less controlled, that's 500 temperature cycles per km. Material fatigue kicks in and the layer self-destructs
[Sorry for improvised terminology, as I said I'm quite non-technical]

[dbwmhn]

Sry Guys, i can't agree with the most of you. In the folowing image u will see a comparison of Schumi's an Hamilton's race. In special the last stint on dry tires. I've maked a average time of there last stint (with and without the outlap) and of the last 7 laps. Michael was only a tenth of a second behind Hamilton on the last 7 laps and a hundreth on the hole stint. And there was nothing to see about a bad tire degeneration, Michael's stint was actually 3 laps longer than Hamilton's.

Furthermore Button was more than half a second off the pace of Schumacher. The fastest on the last 7 laps was Kimi, and on the hole stint it was Webber and Perez if u ignore his failure. But Webber was still only two tenth of a second faster than Michael. So the Mercedes is not that bad, it was just a crazy race^^ But there is still the question why Nico and Janson were so much slower than there teammates.

And sry for my english, its not so good^^

[schumin]

Hi
Can somebody please tell me where can i found all lap times for all drivers?

[SchumiSutil]

The link here come from the FIA website. Just search FIA on google and go to Malaysian GP - Timing informations.


Here is a better link :
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/

You can see every lap time of every drivers and makes comparaisons when you go to "Head to Head".


Here you also have som gaphics and the gap to each drivers to the leader in every lap of the race (it's a french forum, so it's in french) :

http://communaute.f1-express.net/viewto ... 14&t=12423

(Temps au tour = lap times, Ecarts par rapport au 1er = gap to the leader)

[schumin]

Thanks mate

[clipsy1H]

what is this for rubbish?

So they had 2 bad results due to bad luck? Sure the car is bad...

Excuse me but this is just stupid, the car qualifies two rows up compared to last year and the car is worse? Also didnt Schumacher drove in 3rd place last race and was pretty sure of a podium finish until his gearbox failed?

I never knew that a car that is way, way faster compared to last year is worse, but maybe I just need new glasses

most rational post. Car is OK!! Michael said in an interview "last year we are nowhere in qualify and nowhere in race so we jump up in the ranking this year"
Last year they fight in Q2 and now Michael 2 race in row almost on frong grid and same for Nico if he don't make a mistake.

[lillschumi]

I think that in W03 they have prioritized coke-bottle and narrow tidy rear-end & side-pods. i think what they have traded for is CoG in the main bulk lower airbox area. Cant find any good pics but my feeling is that all the better performing cars have tried to get their components as low as possible and traded their narrow tidy coke-bottle rear-end for a bit wider and instead very tight lower airbox area.





I belive that the CoG trade of gives good aero but might give trouble if the layout/position of fueltank somehow is compromised to achive the result.

[vealio]

Actually, I see a bit different what is going on in MGP this season.
Unlike previous two season, this car was tailored 100% up to MSC demands. Keke is still silent, but not for long I hope. Nico isn't underachieving, he was silently demoted to backup driver, and that was main NO-NO when Keke made the deal with Mercedes. Just wait and see how internal events in team will develop. Mercedes has shown such unprofessional vanity, favoring MSC no matter what, even though it already proved as wrong every time they've made changes on the car upon his requests in previous two seasons.

Are you in a parallel universe or something? who cares where Michael or Rosberg is if the team finishes in 2 races behind the midfield??

As for the MGP, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

they should really read that quote
3 years, tyre problems, no engineers changed, they are simply insane.

I am a Mercedes fan, but this is not Mercedes, this is Honda
the sad thing is, Michael is wasting his 2nd career...it could have been an amazing story...

I think you didn't get my point. The whole Mercedes team suffers for years because they overpaid MSC believing that his comeback will equal his 8th title. When MSC began underachieving in the first season, they made changes on the car which he demanded. That only ruined Nico's results as it took him time to get used to modified car. Nico was still twice better.

In following year Nico had shown again that MSC is too old and/or unable to win with serious competition and without dominant car. That obviously wasn't enough for Mercedes to get over their 100 mil. wasted in contract with MSC, so they've promoted MSC and No1 driver for 2012, made car to suit just him, totally disregarding Nico.

Since 2012, Nico is in Mercedes what Massa, Barrichello and Irivine were to MSC at Ferrari. Not to mention that Brawn is in the team. As I mentioned, expect furious reaction from Keke very soon, because he won't tolerate their wiping floor with Nico for the sake of MSC's vanity.

W03 isn't a dog because Mercedes has bad engineers and facilities, no. That car is a dog because there are people on top who are MSC junkies, hooked on fairytale of his greatness, so much that they are letting him make demands about car design, which in fact might have intention to make car even more uncompetitive, so that he could have excuse for not delivering what was expected from him.

That´s why Mercedes made Rosberg the best paid driver without a win/WDC of the whole grid
and btw. he "earns" about 2x as much as MSC.

[dbwmhn]

The lighter the car gets the more competitive it is. It will be of no worth if it has pace in the last 10 laps.

I took the last stint, because it was the only one under dry conditions. U can also took the earlyer stints to see, that Michael was competitive there too. And sure, the cars getting more competitive the lighter they are, but thats true for all cars in the field, not only for Mercedes. So its equal than

[ringo]

W03 is a grey hound.
A fast dog.

Rosberg should not be looked down on. I really think he is overwhelmed by the potential of the car.

He will settle after a while and get a podium. In fact i think he will podium the next race. The car can go well there.

This car has Honda running through it's veins, it still cant manage tyres, longer wheelbase or not.
This is a knowledge problem. Team does not have mechanical specialist who knows what setup the car needs to run with no refueling.
It's simply ignorance to this technique that is their problem, in the same way Williams had ignorance towards certain things till coughlan came into the team.

Honda err. Merc, need some fresh brains.

Oh yeah, i think if the front f duct is real, it may be costing them in terms of degradation. Maybe it activates when they dont need it and the front grip goes and tyre degradation ensues.

[raymondu999]

2. Dry stint, Michael was on hards, Rosberg was on options. Which is why Michael was able to be faster at the end since his tyres still had some life in them.

No you are wrong
see the pic below, both Mercs were on HARD tyres

I've had every iteration of the app since either its 2009 copy or the 2010 copy. The tyre thing is new this year - and as I found out earlier - it's not actually accurate. The app can't be used as definitive evidence of what tyres a car is on unfortunately - for example on my app, in the entire first stint (the first few laps before they all pitted for full wets) Vettel was shown on the primes and Webber and Raikkonen were on the options; which clearly wasn't true.

[lillschumi]

The lighter the car gets the more competitive it is. It will be of no worth if it has pace in the last 10 laps.

I took the last stint, because it was the only one under dry conditions. U can also took the earlyer stints to see, that Michael was competitive there too. And sure, the cars getting more competitive the lighter they are, but thats true for all cars in the field, not only for Mercedes. So its equal than

I of course mean relativly competitive. I don´t really see that MS is competitive in the earlier stints in the lap time list but anyway it´s a wet race so maybe i shouldn´t make too much of a fuzz about it.

One thing i have thought of is that the brackley team have never built a solid car sence refueling was banned. To build a car for refuling is probably easier because you know in which weight it´s going to work in, to build a car to cope with a massive weight change during a race is a diffrent ballpark.

[siskue2005]

2. Dry stint, Michael was on hards, Rosberg was on options. Which is why Michael was able to be faster at the end since his tyres still had some life in them.

No you are wrong
see the pic below, both Mercs were on HARD tyres

I've had every iteration of the app since either its 2009 copy or the 2010 copy. The tyre thing is new this year - and as I found out earlier - it's not actually accurate. The app can't be used as definitive evidence of what tyres a car is on unfortunately - for example on my app, in the entire first stint (the first few laps before they all pitted for full wets) Vettel was shown on the primes and Webber and Raikkonen were on the options; which clearly wasn't true.

It's always bang on target, only today's rain messed it up initially...but later after the restart everything was normal
Yesterday I saw Vettel go out in hards in qualy as soon as he left the pits
The tv crew only picked it later...I think they also should get this app