Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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What's the verdict on the strategy side of Ferrari in the first 3 races?
I think they've finally upped their game on that field and are not making
silly mistakes any more...
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Nando
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They sure have fixed the pit stops.

If i´m not reading wrong, Alonso and Massa had the two fastest pit stops of all.

20.296 and 20.250

Closest other pit stop was Paul Di Resta with 20.387

I knew Massa would have a quick stop in the race, i forgot to look at the time but it looked seriously quick.

Seems like they have been fastest for all of the races?
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Iley was around when we had good cars & was fired after the F60 wasn't great
That worked out well then. The same problems seem to remain.
...it should be said he worked with Byrne so I wouldn't attribute success solely to him and I'd say more contributed to Byrne.
Where is Byrne these days?
My point is Ferrari aerodynamics is lacking and Tombazis needs help.
Tombazis is an aerodynamacist, but he's puzzlingly not in that position. What they really need is a chief designer with a strong background in mechanical engineering. That's really where they've been most lacking over the years. They also need a qualified TD who has the ultimate say over what happens on the car. Tombazis doesn't have that from what I can gather from Ferrari's convoluted organisation.

To my mind it is yet more knee-jerking over personnel and simple buck passing.

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Nando wrote:They sure have fixed the pit stops.

If i´m not reading wrong, Alonso and Massa had the two fastest pit stops of all.

20.296 and 20.250

Closest other pit stop was Paul Di Resta with 20.387

I knew Massa would have a quick stop in the race, i forgot to look at the time but it looked seriously quick.

Seems like they have been fastest for all of the races?
Up to now, they've constantly been the fastest. I'm still trying to understand if there's something strange in their wheel locking system, but it seems not the case. I watched a couple millions times their pit stop trainings in Sepang, the only one I managed to find on youtube; nothing, a part the strange sensation that they start the procedure while the car is still moving.
So I believe it's a matter of training, but who knows...

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elFranZ wrote:Up to now, they've constantly been the fastest. I'm still trying to understand if there's something strange in their wheel locking system, but it seems not the case. I watched a couple millions times their pit stop trainings in Sepang, the only one I managed to find on youtube; nothing, a part the strange sensation that they start the procedure while the car is still moving.
So I believe it's a matter of training, but who knows...
Could be yes, especially after Mercedes and Red Bull was quickest last year, i believe Mercedes might have won the battle.

Here´s one from Alonso, this one actually looked way slower then Massa´s in China.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxC3itJkqps[/youtube]

Probably training and in some way lack of pressure due to the car not being competitive.
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elFranZ wrote:
Up to now, they've constantly been the fastest. I'm still trying to understand if there's something strange in their wheel locking system, but it seems not the case. I watched a couple millions times their pit stop trainings in Sepang, the only one I managed to find on youtube; nothing, a part the strange sensation that they start the procedure while the car is still moving.
So I believe it's a matter of training, but who knows...
There's nothing "strange" with the wheel nuts, the difference is compared to last year, the team now has integral wheel nuts. This helps immensely. They're not doing anything different than anyone else as far as equipment goes, they're just doing the job better. But again, the integral wheel nuts help a ton.

In this picture you can see the rim/wheel with the always attached wheel nut

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munudeges wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Iley was around when we had good cars & was fired after the F60 wasn't great
That worked out well then. The same problems seem to remain.
...it should be said he worked with Byrne so I wouldn't attribute success solely to him and I'd say more contributed to Byrne.
Where is Byrne these days?
My point is Ferrari aerodynamics is lacking and Tombazis needs help.
Tombazis is an aerodynamacist, but he's puzzlingly not in that position. What they really need is a chief designer with a strong background in mechanical engineering. That's really where they've been most lacking over the years. They also need a qualified TD who has the ultimate say over what happens on the car. Tombazis doesn't have that from what I can gather from Ferrari's convoluted organisation.

To my mind it is yet more knee-jerking over personnel and simple buck passing.
Byrne is a design consultant. He works only 100 days a week and helps Fry and Tombazis out.

Regarding Tombazis, when Fry first joined he said that he was surprised to see Tombazis in a more mechanical role, and he has since changed his role slightly, evne though his official title is still Chief Designer.

Chief Aerodynamicst -----> Chief Designer is a natural progression that one would want to make in an F1 team, so to me it was no surprise when he was promoted to this role. A news article from around Canada last year said that Hennel was chief of aero, but it think it might be worth asking Ferrari who is their Chief of Aero in one of their Friday Q&A sessions, since there has been nothing official from them on this.

On the technical director front, i found fry's appointment strange. He never had the winning credentials. His predecessors Brawn and Barnard all had great success before joining Ferrari. Fry has more experience as a race engineer rather than being involved in the design of cars.

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Gerhard Berger wrote:Byrne is a design consultant. He works only 100 days a week
Hell of a work ethic. I know billionaires who don't work that hard :lol:
Fry has more experience as a race engineer rather than being involved in the design of cars.
True, but he was TD on the 07/09 McLarens.
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I mostly agree with Gerhard Berger, except for the assessment of Fry background, which I do not know.

There has not been any official acknowledgement by ferrari about who is chief of aero: hennel was never mentioned officially, and it was just said that Tombazis would focus on aero a bit more than in the past.
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I also hope we don't fire Tombazis. If we do, I imagine Brawn will pick him up for Mercedes and he will flourish there.

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Gerhard Berger wrote:I also hope we don't fire Tombazis. If we do, I imagine Brawn will pick him up for Mercedes and he will flourish there.
I don't think we should fire him either, but damn if he doesn't need some help. There is obviously something wrong with the way the team develops the aerodynamics of the car. Admittedly the team still needs to upgrade it's simulation tools and get better in this area.
Either way the Aero department is lacking at Ferrari and needs upgrading. This is why they currently have job openings for Aerodynamicist & Composite design engineer.

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http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/17147/ ... -maranello

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The guy seems talented:
McLaren (1996);
Tyrrell (1997);
Honda (1998);
Benetton (1999-2001);
Jaguar (2002-2004);
Red Bull Racing (2005-2007);
Honda (2008);
Brawn Gp (2009).

That's a good entry, and I add a nice job from Domenicali.

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I´m getting the opposite feeling.

Just look at how long he´s stayed with the teams, 1 tops 3 years only.
He´s been jumping ships since he got into F1 it seems.

You can add HRT and Marussia to that list as well.

I wonder if this really was a smart decision by Ferrari.
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Well, it's not even known what his role will be, or was.
He's not the new aero-chief for sure; the article points out he should be a sort of coordinator for WT structures.