Felipe Massa's future

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Yea he will stay... but only until this year runs out.

That will be enough time to evaluate every potential driver.
And it gives Massa some time to possibly scrap all of these ideas.
Although highly unlikely.

Alonso will probably finish his career when the contract runs out so the best option would be a young gun where Alonso can act as sort of a mentor.

Edit: Unless Kubica comes back. That´s a given option.
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how about kubica as massa's replacement after this year ??
he seems to have more or less similar driving style like alonso. I dont think perez would be good for ferrari.

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Isn't he a contender?
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He's a contender alright, but he, like all the others, is a somewhat risky option. And besides, Massa returned off the back of a serious injury and look how that panned out. Although I'm not certain Kubica will end up the same way, I suspect thats something thats on their minds and will hurt Kubica's chances. Perez is perhaps still the most likely candidate, but I think they want him to get more seat time in a mid field team before taking him on (READ: No mid season changes!)

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Lycoming wrote:He's a contender alright, but he, like all the others, is a somewhat risky option. And besides, Massa returned off the back of a serious injury and look how that panned out. Although I'm not certain Kubica will end up the same way, I suspect thats something thats on their minds and will hurt Kubica's chances. Perez is perhaps still the most likely candidate, but I think they want him to get more seat time in a mid field team before taking him on (READ: No mid season changes!)
I'm pretty sure that they'll realise that broken head and broken arm are entirely different things. Many drivers have made comebacks from pretty horrific limb injuries, very few from brain damage.

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Well what in Massa´s brain got damaged?

If anything it was a concussion and a crushed eyebrow.
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Nando wrote:Well what in Massa´s brain got damaged?

If anything it was a concussion and a crushed eyebrow.
He had sufficient swelling and bleeding on the brain that he required being put in a coma to be kept alive – that's significant. The fact that his performance immediately dropped after the accident indicates that he is just not as fast as he used to be. This came up when Richard Hammond interviewed Stirling Moss – both attested that after their crashes they simply weren't able to do things as naturally and quickly as before, and that even when they thought they'd fully recovered, they kept finding more things that didn't quite work as they expected. I have no doubt that Massa has been left in the same boat.

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Where did you find that information?

Wiki isn´t the most accurate source but there it says this:

"where he underwent surgery in the area surrounding his left eye."

"His condition was initially described as "life-threatening but stable"

"but improved rapidly. Massa was discharged from hospital the following week and returned to Brazil."

"After further tests it was decided Massa needed a titanium plate inserted into his skull to strengthen it for racing."
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I don´t really buy the whole he´s not as quick as he used to be.

Hockenheim 2010 he managed to take a second place. You can´t do that if you have serious brain damage that limits your performance.
He also beat Alonso once or twice in Qualifying. Impossible to do if you have brain damage. Notable brain damage.

And long before the accident Massa did not really impress anyone. Neither did he do it after 2008 either.
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Nando wrote:I don´t really buy the whole he´s not as quick as he used to be.

Hockenheim 2010 he managed to take a second place. You can´t do that if you have serious brain damage that limits your performance.
He also beat Alonso once or twice in Qualifying. Impossible to do if you have brain damage. Notable brain damage.

And long before the accident Massa did not really impress anyone. Neither did he do it after 2008 either.
Well, it might be that he lacks some stamina. I noticed that there were a few races when he started pretty good initially, but then as the race progressed showed some signs of loosing edge.
I think what F1 drivers are really special is not reaction speed or reflexes (which of course are exceptional) but maintaining concentration to be able to push lap after lap, and to be quick at the right moment. For example, in Ferrari Virtual Academy I was able to do a few laps faster than what Alonso did (but nowhere as fast top guys...) but I am not able to maintain same speed for a series of laps.

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beelsebob wrote:
Nando wrote:Well what in Massa´s brain got damaged?

If anything it was a concussion and a crushed eyebrow.
He had sufficient swelling and bleeding on the brain that he required being put in a coma to be kept alive – that's significant. The fact that his performance immediately dropped after the accident indicates that he is just not as fast as he used to be. This came up when Richard Hammond interviewed Stirling Moss – both attested that after their crashes they simply weren't able to do things as naturally and quickly as before, and that even when they thought they'd fully recovered, they kept finding more things that didn't quite work as they expected. I have no doubt that Massa has been left in the same boat.
Spot on!

I´ve heard something that a brain damage will slow down your reaction time by as much as 20% etc, etc. I don´t say im a doctor but I think that is his main problem, he can´t concentrate as well as before.

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A day with Felipe at Maranello - “The team stands by me”


Maranello, 18 May – Angry could be a polite way of describing Felipe Massa’s mood, on a day spent in Maranello to work in the simulator and to attend meetings with his engineers. Five days on from the Spanish Grand Prix, the Brazilian is still annoyed about the outcome of a race that could definitely have ended differently, but for the penalty imposed shortly before half-distance and, maybe if it had not been for the traffic that penalised him in Q2 on Saturday afternoon.
Clearly, the final outcome could at best have only featured a finish in the lower end of the points zone but, given Felipe’s score in this first quarter of the championship, it would still have offered some respite. However, it ended with Felipe having to comment on his fourth blank scorecard of the season.

Yes I am bloody p***ed off,” snaps Felipe. “Even today, I still struggle to understand the reason for the drive-through and that was the point at which my race was ruined.”

Every driver, consciously or otherwise, has his team-mate as a point of reference and it’s not easy to accept or to explain the large difference in points that currently exists between Felipe and Fernando. However, Felipe is not the sort to hide from the truth and provides honest answers to our questions.
“I think that this year, the only race where there really was a big difference between me and Fernando was in Australia and then, in Malaysia the rain made it more complicated to get a clear picture. Starting in China, the difference in qualifying between the two of us was not so dramatic. Even in Barcelona, but for the traffic, my time in Q2 was in line with previous events and on Sunday my pace was not that far off. I think we must also take into account that, at the moment, Fernando’s driving is amazing: he is on super form, maybe even perfect.”

Do you think there is a specific problem with the car that is preventing you from getting the most out of it?
“It’s definitely not a very easy car to drive and it’s hard to find a good balance. Many times I have found myself having to fight the car and, in these circumstances, it’s easy to lose a tenth here and there: with my driving style maybe I struggle a bit more, because I don’t manage to find a smooth way of driving. Then, it’s well known that we don’t yet have enough aerodynamic downforce and we are lacking in traction at the exit to slow corners, which could be the biggest problem. In Spain, we made a significant improvement, which could clearly be seen from Fernando’s performance in the race, but I too, when I had a clear track ahead of me, had a good pace. We also made a little progress in terms of top speed, another area where we have suffered right from the start of the season.”

Can you feel the team has faith in you and what do you need to get out of this difficult phase?
“Absolutely, yes, I feel the whole team stands by me. Obviously, they are not happy with the results and neither am I: we all want is to get out of this and return to normal. It’s possible and for sure it’s what I want and I know that with the team’s help we will manage it.”

It’s a difficult question, but equally, it’s one that, one way or another, needs to be asked. Has there ever been the doubt in your mind that you are no longer as quick since the accident in Budapest?
“I have asked myself that forty five thousand times and don’t think I haven’t and why wouldn’t I: having won so much over three years, eleven races, the question is obvious. And it’s not as though I only stuck to asking myself: I went looking for the answer, asking a whole host of questions and undergoing as many medical examinations. All the doctors I consulted are prepared to swear hand on heart that there are absolutely no traces of the impact with the spring. As for myself, I don’t feel in any way different to the way I was before that weekend. For example, if it was true that I no longer had the same will to win as before or the same courage, then how can one explain the fact that, at the race start, I am probably still one of the best drivers and I am not the sort to hold back when it comes to overtaking?"

It’s been almost thirty years since we have seen five winners in five different cars in the first part of the season: where do you think this unpredictability comes from?
“I think it’s great for the show, because many more teams are competitive. I think that the many changes over the past few years, both the technical and financial ones, have contributed in a decisive fashion. Up to a few years ago, those who did not have a big budget had no chance, but today it’s no longer the case and I think that will continue in the future, also because the trend is moving towards reducing costs still further, given what is going on in the rest of the world.”

Is tyre performance really that unpredictable and important?
“Yes, but their influence varies from circuit to circuit. In Bahrain and Spain we had high degradation and then the tyres played a decisive role, but at others, where degradation is more within the norm, then I think the quickest car in absolute terms will have the upper hand. Having said that, clearly those who do the best job of managing the tyres, have the best strategy and make no mistakes, will have the best chance of winning.”

Monaco is your second home race. What does it feel like driving a Formula 1 car on the same streets where a few days earlier and after this Grand Prix, you might find yourself going for a walk with your son?
"On normal days, you don’t feel you’re on a track, apart from at the Loews hairpin, where the kerbs are always in place. When you drive through there you always have in mind that you are actually on the Grand Prix track. Everywhere else you never think about it. Obviously now, you are pretty much on track as the barriers and kerbs have already been installed. Felipinho knows this is where I race, but he is only interested in me being able to drive like in Mario Kart so as to pick up the bonuses! We spend ages playing that video game…”

What does it feel like to produce a perfect lap, to take pole position at a track like Monaco?

“It is fantastic and I am very sorry I was unable to win that time in 2008, when I managed to start in front of the whole field. The rain and the Safety Car certainly didn’t do me any favours, because I had a good enough pace to win. That lap the day before was really amazing, something I will never forget. Just finishing the race in Monaco is already a good result, but winning it is something that makes you part of history.”

Today, you are in Maranello to work on the simulator. What is the programme for the day?

“It’s nothing to do with the next round, partly because it is almost impossible to reproduce in detail on the simulator what is the real Monaco. We are working mainly on a back-up to the Grand Prix in Barcelona to confirm the data we saw there last weekend.

Do you agree with your colleagues, first and foremost Fernando, who maintain that one day of real track testing is worth a much larger number of days on a virtual one?
“Absolutely, a hundred percent! Nothing can replace driving on a track and I don’t just say that because, as a driver I have more fun on a track, as I think the engineers also agree with me…”

Does this race require a different approach to the others?
“Yes especially from the physical point of view. The Monaco Grand Prix is a very long race where you don’t get a moment to relax, because you are always on the limit, always brushing the barriers. So I work a lot more than usual on aerobic training, especially over a long time. From a technical point of view, the car set-up has some rather specific characteristics: only the race in Singapore takes place on a track with any similarities to the Monegasque one.”


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An answer just as i had predicted. Massa is fine, just slow as usual :)

And he´s right about the starts, he is the one with the most places gained at the start, think it´s 21 or something.
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AnthonyG wrote:Isn't he a contender?
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Hmmm. Kubica does not Match Ferrari IMO.

A Perez Massa swap is best option. Win win for both teams and both drivers.
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stefan_ wrote:I think Ferrari will wait until the end of the season to see exactly Kubica's health status. If Kubica isn't ready, then we might see Perez taking his seat and who knows, maybe Massa back at Sauber.
What's with the Kubica obsession? Okay the guy was great pre-crash; he won't be the same guy post-crash, just like Massa sadly.

Is anyone even aware of the state of his fitness? Being out for even a year with no racing has detrimental effects.