Alguersuari and Buemi were better than their replacements?

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raymondu999 wrote:
beelsebob wrote:To me, what I want to see from those drivers is some maturity, not chucking it off the track, consistently getting the car to where it can get to.
That's an interesting point. If you had to choose, which of these two drivers would you rather have, if you were looking in a midfield driver:
a) a driver that shows incredible maturity, and is a "par" driver - he'll get points in a points-scoring car and podiums in a podium-capable car.
I don't think you need to be a "par" driver to show maturity – Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are all showing maturity this year, but they're far from par drivers.
b) a driver that shows incredible levels of talent, but is prone to occasionally binning the car spectacularly. eg Grosjean/Maldonado - winning one race and crashing the next, or crashing one race and pulling off a brilliant drive the next.
To me, that shows "not ready for a big team yet".

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Tomba wrote:I do believe as well that sacking Alguersuari was a mistake. He did not have too much experience yet, and his debut a while ago was impressive nonetheless.

I wonder though what you expect from a driver in the midfield? Do you think Kovalainen is a bad driver because he can't get into the points? And with Di Resta - Hulk being so highly regarded, have you been impressed by them at all this year? And Button, a world champion, is he incapable because of a few bad races? I don't think so...
To me, what I want to see from those drivers is some maturity, not chucking it off the track, consistently getting the car to where it can get to. DiResta impresses me because he typically comes home as high as the car can manage, often higher than I thought it could. Similarly Perez has a knack for getting the car into positions you wouldn't think it should be able to get to.
I aggree, drivers that show maturity, basically bring it home without putting it into a wall or damaging a front wing regularly is what im looking at as what a good driver should do. Heikki is good as he shows maturity and brings the car homw well after a good start. Di Resta and Hulk are also good as they are quiet enough in a race and often outperform the car, Di Resta did so in Bahrain and we know about Hulk in 2010 in Brazil. Perez is also a driver that will bring the car home with minimal fuss and often in a good posistion. Maldanado is going that way as well, however still has a little devil in him that just creeps in now and again. Grosjean and Rosberg have impressed this year, they qualify well, and finish well in a good car.

If you bring home the car thats often good enough, however if you bring home a car with damage that is un-needed and un-warranted its about time to think about something else. However theese days a driver that can look after their equiptment and drive to a set pace is often going to score highly due to the Tyres.

The blueprint this year is Perez and Grosjean i think. Maldanado and Di Resta are not that far behind.

This is the standard that Riccardo and Vergne should be looking to. Vergne is making too many stupid mistakes and is just not qualifying well enough, Riccardo just needs to work on race pace and they will be learning at the right pace. However i think another 7 to 10 events will go by before we can make a propper informed decision abour theese two rookies. Riccardo should do better from Silverstone onward as his experience from 2011 will come into focus for him.

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beelsebob wrote:I don't think you need to be a "par" driver to show maturity – Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are all showing maturity this year, but they're far from par drivers.
no no - if you could only choose one of those 2 drivers, which would you pick? A or B?
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raymondu999 wrote:
beelsebob wrote:I don't think you need to be a "par" driver to show maturity – Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are all showing maturity this year, but they're far from par drivers.
no no - if you could only choose one of those 2 drivers, which would you pick? A or B?
I'd do a Torro Rosso, chuck them both out, and take one of the new ones who hopefully will perform better. Depending on how long B had been in the junior team, I'd let them stay a year or two more and mature.

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I think the interests of the sport would be best served if Red Bull sold STR rather than operating a Satellite team. That way any new owner would not be handicapped by exclusiveluy choosing drivers from one stable. I for one have never bought into the hype surrounding Verne. To use a boxing analogy; he's a bum!

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n smikle wrote:What in the Blazes are Vergne and Ricciardo doing?!! These are supposed to be the "born winners" that Helmut was talking about?!

Where are the top class Rookie Performances? I don't see anything special about these two losers.

The car is quite good, its a top ten car I assure you; so why can't Ricciardo (poor at qualifying and racing) and Vergne (just snail piss slow) seem to put a complete race together? Their racing efforts are collectively lackluster - not even one of them is standing out... It's just embarrasing especially as I calculated that the car is really the fourth fastest.

:evil: SACK THEM!! :evil:
No the car is just crap that´s all.

I doubt either Buemi or Agli would do much better, i say look out for Vergne, ones he´s figured out the Qual issues he will dominate Ricciardo.
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tbh -a good driver steps in and delivers.Anyone can learn to drive.
Perez does ,Kobayashi does,even Maldonato does .Ricciardo ,Vergne ,Senna how long do you wait ?wait for a wonder maybe?

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marcush. wrote:tbh -a good driver steps in and delivers.Anyone can learn to drive.
Perez does ,Kobayashi does,even Maldonato does .Ricciardo ,Vergne ,Senna how long do you wait ?wait for a wonder maybe?
Yea and Buemi and Jamie never really impressed anyone. Monotone driving for 3 years almost.

The car is obviously not as good as last year compared to the field but Vergne has been doing a good job despite his lackluster performance in Qualifying.
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Ricciardo is a good one, Vergne? I don't knoff. I rate Buemi much higher than DJ Alguersuari. They should run Buemi and Ricciardo next season to compare them.
Buemi is really good! No matter what the h8ers say.
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Nando wrote:No the car is just crap that´s all.
They were judged on not getting podiums or wins last year. The car was not good enough for these positions either.
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Nando wrote:No the car is just crap that´s all.
They were judged on not getting podiums or wins last year. The car was not good enough for these positions either.
Last year's car was good enough for that at very low downforce tracks. A podium would have been a possibility at India for example.

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Really?

The fastest STR qualified 1 second off the top 3s Q2 pace.(9th and 10th they finished in qualy)
ALG finished 8th.

This is a reflection of the machinery at his disposal.
More could have been done.
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If Vergne produced anything at all I'd be running away with the Fantasty GP on anoter site. :cry:
I also have Grosjean. :wink:
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Vergne is only 3 points of Hulkenberg, not bad for a rookie compared to his teammate.
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Nando wrote:Vergne is only 3 points of Hulkenberg, not bad for a rookie compared to his teammate.
Correct, let me clarify. The way our FGP is set up none of that happened tp help me. :-({|=
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