The strange case of Schumacher

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I see there are already headlines such as "Schumacher tipped for Valencia Win"!...Am I missing something? I seem to remember the same thing being predicted of him for Canada. For him to win, first Vettel, Webber, Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Rosberg, etc, must lose (quite possible this year, of course), and if any of those let a man of Schumacher's age beat them fair and square they should be ashamed of themselves...

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I don't see how being beaten by a 7 time WDC is something to be ashamed off...

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I can see Mercedes doing very well in boring old Valencia. A win though, I'm going to say unlikely. Mclaren win, Hamilton quite possibly now he clearly has his mojo back.

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I think it's possible for him to win...after all the merc is at home on street circuits. Beating Nico might be just all he needs to win...a tall order

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I think the point was that Schumacher took pole position at Monaco which, in some respects at least, is similar to Valencia. If he had been allowed to start on pole in Monaco, I'm pretty certain he would have won (excluding reliability issues), so there's a certain logic to the person who was fastest in Monaco being fastest in Valencia.

In this instance, it was Paul Hembrey of Pirelli who said it, so you'd presume that means that the Merc uses the super-softs well on that kind of track, but it may have been just an off-the-cuff comment. Regardless, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Schumacher could win, particular if he gets just a modicum of luck - something he's long overdue this season.

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Hembery was probably making an educated guess, or was making a punt based on the unpredictability of this season.

Either way I thought it was a bad move on Paul's part... if his prediction turns true, then there will be a group of people accusing Pirelli & Paul of race-fixing, giving Schumacher a special set of tyres (some people will start saying, "Oh look... the Pirelli boss says Schumacher, and Schumacher wins. What a coincidence")

and if Schumacher doesn't win, some people will castigate Hembery. They'll be saying how Hembery, even with close knowledge of how each car+driver package is using the tyres, was unable to make a solid prediction.
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raymondu999 wrote:Hembery was probably making an educated guess, or was making a punt based on the unpredictability of this season.

Either way I thought it was a bad move on Paul's part... if his prediction turns true, then there will be a group of people accusing Pirelli & Paul of race-fixing, giving Schumacher a special set of tyres (some people will start saying, "Oh look... the Pirelli boss says Schumacher, and Schumacher wins. What a coincidence")

and if Schumacher doesn't win, some people will castigate Hembery. They'll be saying how Hembery, even with close knowledge of how each car+driver package is using the tyres, was unable to make a solid prediction.
I don't know. I've heard him when being interviewed by, say, the BBC saying things like "I think Lewis will have a good chance" and things like that in the past, and I think this is no more than that. He's said before that he gets to watch F1 like a fan- that is to say, they make the tyres they're asked to make and then sit back and let the teams decide who wins races - and the tone sounded like he was just having a light-hearted punt. Even if he were to say that a particular driver is particularly good with such and such tyre, he's entitled to his opinion and, as I say, has made broad predictions in the past without so much fuss.

Actually, it occurs to me that it's more the press jumping on this comment and making a story out of it. If he had said Hamilton or Alonso or Vettel has the best chance, then I doubt it would have made a headline. I actually think it illustrates what a good story a Schumacher victory would be for F1, and I've even heard those who have disliked him in the past express this view. The sad thing is that, if and when he does win one, I suspect there will still be those trynig to discredit his achievement.

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there is nothing strange in Schumachers case .Considering his current form I see no reason why he should not be in front of Rosberg and leading the Championship discounting the appalling mishaps and encounters he has to face or has been given blame for.
I guess he is taking it like a man and will not starting a Mansell on his situation but dig in deeper and deliver.He does not need Hembreys predictions to know he can win this year .
Mind you I think he might even be the first guy to win two races this year-who knows.

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I guess what's strange here is Schumacher's improbable run of 'bad luck', followed by Hembrey's sudden prediction from out of the blue that Michael's a favorite to win in Valencia. Is there reason to believe that Valencia will finally see a respite from the spate of DNFs that have been plaguing Schumacher? Does Pirelli's data actually solidly back a strong performance from Mercedes in Valencia?

All seven races from Schumacher plagued by some form of bad luck or another... What're the odds? Seven different winners from the first seven races of the season... What're the odds? And now, to suggest that a driver who's had sh!t for luck from his team emerging as an eight new winner?? Cynical conspiracist would point to F1's impending IPO as a major 'influence' on how 'exciting' this season has been, so far. I certainly hope there's no truth to such conspiratorial suggestions.

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Max Speed wrote:and if any of those let a man of Schumacher's age beat them fair and square they should be ashamed of themselves...
Like they all where ashamed at one of the difficult and demanding circuits in f1 :roll:

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ArchAngel wrote:I guess what's strange here is Schumacher's improbable run of 'bad luck', followed by Hembrey's sudden prediction from out of the blue that Michael's a favorite to win in Valencia. Is there reason to believe that Valencia will finally see a respite from the spate of DNFs that have been plaguing Schumacher? Does Pirelli's data actually solidly back a strong performance from Mercedes in Valencia?

All seven races from Schumacher plagued by some form of bad luck or another... What're the odds? Seven different winners from the first seven races of the season... What're the odds? And now, to suggest that a driver who's had sh!t for luck from his team emerging as an eight new winner?? Cynical conspiracist would point to F1's impending IPO as a major 'influence' on how 'exciting' this season has been, so far. I certainly hope there's no truth to such conspiratorial suggestions.
You're reading far too much into it. Hembrey has no idea whatsoever about whether bad luck will play any part, all he was saying is that Mercedes and Schumacher in particular looked pretty good at Monaco so should look pretty good in Valencia.

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ArchAngel wrote:I guess what's strange here is Schumacher's improbable run of 'bad luck', followed by Hembrey's sudden prediction from out of the blue that Michael's a favorite to win in Valencia. Is there reason to believe that Valencia will finally see a respite from the spate of DNFs that have been plaguing Schumacher? Does Pirelli's data actually solidly back a strong performance from Mercedes in Valencia?

All seven races from Schumacher plagued by some form of bad luck or another... What're the odds? Seven different winners from the first seven races of the season... What're the odds? And now, to suggest that a driver who's had sh!t for luck from his team emerging as an eight new winner?? Cynical conspiracist would point to F1's impending IPO as a major 'influence' on how 'exciting' this season has been, so far. I certainly hope there's no truth to such conspiratorial suggestions.
What are the odds that eleven people would win races in '82? You want to be cynical? How about you consider the fact that Schumacher taking another WDC would be the absolute best thing for business and manufacturing a season-long battle between him and some younger guy (Rosberg or Vettel would be best) to be determined at the US GP (we do love our underdogs and comeback stories) makes far more sense if you want to be that ridiculous.

Maybe we've entered into a season where parity exists in the form of tires. Isn't that what everyone always wanted? More overtakes! More winners! It's boring seeing the same people win all the time! Now that we have more overtaking, more winners, and the possibility of literally ANYONE (except Karthikeyan) winning on race day... it's all conspiracies and nonsense.

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myurr wrote:You're reading far too much into it. Hembrey has no idea whatsoever about whether bad luck will play any part, all he was saying is that Mercedes and Schumacher in particular looked pretty good at Monaco so should look pretty good in Valencia.
I suppose you're right. I guess that given how much of a factor the Pirellis have been in this season so far, Hembrey's pronouncement favoring a particular team & driver for the next race just struck me as a bit... improper? Results & data from previous races might support his prediction, but for a tyre supplier who's serving equally the needs of the entire field to suddenly pick a specific driver & team to maximize the tyres... It just doesn't seem like smart PR. If by some crazy twist of fate Schumacher actually does win in Valencia, then the feel-good sentiments from such a result could well be overshadowed by (unfair) suspicion & more conspiracy theories.

Of course, if Merc comes through with their by now predictable mechanical reliability issues with car #7, then this whole scenario becomes moot. :mrgreen:

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I'll throw this out there, it isn't my opinion, but it was suggested to me earlier by a drunk. Schumacher and his team are making the mechanical issues happen to hide the truth, that Michael simply cant race on these pirellis.

Are the opinions of a drunk outside a pub utter garbage or does the dude have something?
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clarkiesyeah wrote:I'll throw this out there, it isn't my opinion, but it was suggested to me earlier by a drunk. Schumacher and his team are making the mechanical issues happen to hide the truth, that Michael simply cant race on these pirellis.

Are the opinions of a drunk outside a pub utter garbage or does the dude have something?
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