Pastor Maldonado

[N12ck]

Imo they are both partly to blame, Maldonado was overaggressive, but Hamilton unnecessary obstructed him for half the lap on ruined tires and left him no room in that corner. I'd say Madonado is still the main instigator of that crash, but Hamilton should really know when to simply let the faster car pass. Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

Hamilton had as much right to be on that bit of tarmac as much as Maldonado, in racing rules it states you can defend a position as long as you do not make more than one move on a defensive move, Hamilton did not break this rule, Maldonado could have always lifted or took the escape road, this is racing, you force people to back out of a move (Hamilton had the racing line) so did not do anything wrong. If you gave up the position just because a faster driver catches up then you are no longer a racing driver and simply a processional driver.

[simos]

Imo they are both partly to blame, Maldonado was overaggressive, but Hamilton unnecessary obstructed him for half the lap on ruined tires

It's a racing driver's job to obstruct drivers who are behind them, there was nothing unnecessary about it.

and left him no room in that corner.

Entirely normal racing manoeuvre – if they try to go out wide and get the inside on the next turn, you worry them out wide, and then hang about on the apex of the next turn. Firm, but fair defence by hamilton.

I'd say Madonado is still the main instigator of that crash, but Hamilton should really know when to simply let the faster car pass.

Uhhh right... let a faster car past... WHEN RACING FOR POSITION!

Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

No, Alonso simply was so much slower than the car behind him that he had no choice. He was not still in the fight come the breaking zone.

Ugh, multiquoting...

Alonso in Canada was slower that Hamilton in this race, but there was no way that Hamilton could keep Maldonado behind him. He was sliding all over the place well before Maldonado caught up with him. It was only due to the track and his aggressive driving that he stayed in front of him for that long. It was quite apparent that it would only take a little longer straight and Maldonado would get past. Maldonado (maybe in heat of moment) rushed that decision sooner and Hamilton refused to give it to him. A fair racing move on his part, but you must agree that it was also a foolish one.
Again, I'm putting more blame on Maldonado, but with smarter Hamilton nothing would happen in that turn.

[Steven]

I swear I told Iris 15 seconds before it happened "oh and now Maldonado will take out Lewis while trying to pass him". It's a bad sign when things like these become predictable, and I personally strongly believe that Maldonado has no place in Formula One.

I understand he is a decent qualifier and strong when running ahead, but if you can't obey flags or judge what other drivers are going to do, then you need to find another job.

[beelsebob]

Imo they are both partly to blame, Maldonado was overaggressive, but Hamilton unnecessary obstructed him for half the lap on ruined tires

It's a racing driver's job to obstruct drivers who are behind them, there was nothing unnecessary about it.

and left him no room in that corner.

Entirely normal racing manoeuvre – if they try to go out wide and get the inside on the next turn, you worry them out wide, and then hang about on the apex of the next turn. Firm, but fair defence by hamilton.

I'd say Madonado is still the main instigator of that crash, but Hamilton should really know when to simply let the faster car pass.

Uhhh right... let a faster car past... WHEN RACING FOR POSITION!

Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

No, Alonso simply was so much slower than the car behind him that he had no choice. He was not still in the fight come the breaking zone.

Ugh, multiquoting...

Alonso in Canada was slower that Hamilton in this race, but there was no way that Hamilton could keep Maldonado behind him. He was sliding all over the place well before Maldonado caught up with him. It was only due to the track and his aggressive driving that he stayed in front of him for that long.

Correct, it was quite apparent that Maldonado had the faster car and that Hamilton was defending against him very well to keep him behind for so long.

It was quite apparent that it would only take a little longer straight and Maldonado would get past.

Which is all the more reason that Maltonado should have just calmly got back on track and then used a straight to pass, instead of T-boning someone.

Maldonado (maybe in heat of moment) rushed that decision sooner and Hamilton refused to give it to him. A fair racing move on his part, but you must agree that it was also a foolish one.

No, I don't see it as foolish at all to exploit all the tools at your disposal to try to keep someone behind you. I tend to agree that Maldonado would have got past at the next straight – doesn't mean he had any right to drive into Hamilton for defending well at the previous straight.

[N12ck]

It is a racing drivers duty to prevent an overtake, maybe Pastor would have got past in the DRS zone, so should pastor not have realised this and waited a little longer rather than driving back onto the racetrack to cause a collision? As I say, it is never foolish to defend your position, something you always get told when you start racing 'it is the duty to the overtaking driver to ensure it is a safe overtake' Hamilton just held his line, why should Hamilton go off his line to wave Maldonado through when they are racing for a championship and for position?

[stefan_]

This was a classic case of Maldonado completly losing his mind. You can see that when he realises that Hamilton has some problems and he can pass him & get podium, his film breaks and he starts being dumb.

[Diff-user]

Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

In Canada, Alonso actually deployed his DRS soon after being overtaken just before the DRS detecting point (don't remember who overtook him) even though it was clear that with his worn out tyres he wouldn't be able to get his position back or stay there for long if he did.... These drivers fight till the end.... logic takes a back seat when instincts are driving.... but the point of the matter is the best drivers know when to, instinctively, back out.....not give up... just search for a better and safer opportunity to overtake.... and also they will never give way no matter how fast the following car is...its the overtaker's job to find a way through .... Maldonado was a bit too impatient... a few more seconds of waiting and we all would be calling it a good performance from the Venezuelan

[simos]

It is a racing drivers duty to prevent an overtake, maybe Pastor would have got past in the DRS zone, so should pastor not have realised this and waited a little longer rather than driving back onto the racetrack to cause a collision? As I say, it is never foolish to defend your position, something you always get told when you start racing 'it is the duty to the overtaking driver to ensure it is a safe overtake' Hamilton just held his line, why should Hamilton go off his line to wave Maldonado through when they are racing for a championship and for position?

Simply because of that. He lets Pastor by and he gets 12 points. Almost guaranteed. If he tries to stay before him, he gambles for three points with a risk of getting none.

Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

In Canada, Alonso actually deployed his DRS soon after being overtaken just before the DRS detecting point (don't remember who overtook him) even though it was clear that with his worn out tyres he wouldn't be able to get his position back or stay there for long if he did.... These drivers fight till the end.... logic takes a back seat when instincts are driving.... but the point of the matter is the best drivers know when to, instinctively, back out.....not give up... just search for a better and safer opportunity to overtake.... and also they will never give way no matter how fast the following car is...its the overtaker's job to find a way through .... Maldonado was a bit too impatient... a few more seconds of waiting and we all would be calling it a good performance from the Venezuelan

Alsonso used DRS to save some time, so noone else could overtake him. He did not attempt to attack or defend against anyone.

[Petroltorque]

Racing incident. Podium was beckoning and laps were running out....

Just because you're running out of time does not make every possible manoeuvre a "racing incident". As has been said, all Igor had to do was get the traction down better than Hamilton out of a single corner, and he had more than a lap to do it in. Instead, he chose to come from fully off track, and T-bone the McLaren.

Of all the mad things to do, this was the most retarded, as it resulted in him getting 9th instead of 3rd >.<

My comment was purely tongue in cheek. Yes by the letter of the law Maldonado would have to take a penalty as he was partially off track at the time of the collision. But could anyone seriously doubt a collision of some kind was going to occur.
There's nothing wrong with driving elbows out, but Hamilton had zero grip in the traction zones and that's exactly where a collision will occur with 2 drivers battling for the same area of track.
Hamilton miscalculated by assuming he could put manneres on Maldonado. He ( Hamilton) has got to look to the long game give up the position accept fifth if necessary but at least you're still in the game. Nows he's in a championship that is as tight as a tick, and on any given day any driver will take points off you.

[Raptor22]

Imo they are both partly to blame, Maldonado was overaggressive, but Hamilton unnecessary obstructed him for half the lap on ruined tires and left him no room in that corner. I'd say Madonado is still the main instigator of that crash, but Hamilton should really know when to simply let the faster car pass. Alonso in Canada did just that, he stopped fighting and saved some crucial points.

unnecessarily obstructed him??? So defending a podium position while fighting for the world championship is unnecessary.....

Its fans with thinking like this thats made F1 the neutered show it is. Please bring back real racing where defending your line an d position was deteremined by the drivers determination and not a set of dumb rules designed to make F1 intelligable to lawyers

[N12ck]

Simply because of that. He lets Pastor by and he gets 12 points. Almost guaranteed. If he tries to stay before him, he gambles for three points with a risk of getting none.

Alsonso used DRS to save some time, so noone else could overtake him. He did not attempt to attack or defend against anyone.

Simos, you do not have a clue about what racing is all about, I have raced in a few series and you always defend your position to defend the points to the best of your ability, so your saying in every race that someone is catching the leader the leader should just lift and let the guy in second through, pleasssseee you must be having a joke,

[sAx]

Simply because of that. He lets Pastor by and he gets 12 points. Almost guaranteed. If he tries to stay before him, he gambles for three points with a risk of getting none.

Alsonso used DRS to save some time, so noone else could overtake him. He did not attempt to attack or defend against anyone.

Simos, you do not have a clue about what racing is all about, I have raced in a few series and you always defend your position to defend the points to the best of your ability, so your saying in every race that someone is catching the leader the leader should just lift and let the guy in second through, pleasssseee you must be having a joke,

+1 generally agree. But in this season for this championship the snap decision has to be to take what you can get, until you can get what you want. I think Maldonado would have eventually got 3rd, so points for a 4th place would have hurt less than a DNF.

[Mr.S]

Pastor for me is a poor man's Hamilton. I think they thoroughly deserve each other. Hamilton on dead tyres forced Maldonado out when he was on par with Hamilton leaving him 0 room. Like 0.

When Michael did this to Rubens he got a Massive Grid Penalty(10 Place) & the Stewards thought of black flagging him. Even then Rubens had 1 car room barely.

For me Pastor & Hamilton deserve the 2 Worst Crashes in the last couple of years. Maldonado for intentially Hitting Senna & Hamilton for blasting & crashing through Maldonado in Monaco last year which was by far one of the worst moves I have seen.

I feel sad for Hamilton,had to give up 3rd Place in crucial Championship. But he is spoiled brat who started out with the fastest car & never had to struggle. He needs to learn about failures. This is why Alonso is a much better driver(I am no Alonso fan). Clever,does not say stupid things & can motivate himself in Garbage cars too.

Maldonado has this Super Arrogant Vibe too. Hopefully he learns soon.

I do think they are too many rookies now in decent cars. Guys like Kovalainen & De La Rosa & Glock should be in the mid-field cars & Vergne or Ricardo or Senna should in HRT or Marussia.

Atleast the older guys know how to race with a cool head. Rookies are given too good a cars,they are buying seats & not having to struggle.

Senna is definitely the Worst Driver in Formula1 after Kartikeyan

[Diff-user]

Alsonso used DRS to save some time, so noone else could overtake him. He did not attempt to attack or defend against anyone.

you are really overestimating the time one can gain using DRS....

[Diff-user]

found this on this thread viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1326

I am marshall in Monaco

First of all, I like to report that my colleague is now ok and he's marshalling again.
He had injuries in his ankle and legs, but then he recovered.

The Automobile Club of Monaco DID ban Maldonado for life from the circuit.
It's not a urban legend. It happened really.

Shortly after the ban, mr. Hugo Chavez, close friend of Pastor, put pressure on Monaco authorities to withdraw this penalty, converting it into a huge monetary fine.

That's it, once again politics won on motorsports.