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Nando wrote:FIA could impose a higher ride height for these type of conditions.
I think the tires can withstand more then what´s shown aswell, it´s the plank that is the problem.
This^^^
I guess the biggest issue is the f**ck up parc ferme rulle. I teams where allowed to change ride hieght between Q and race they would.
Now they just leave the things licking the ground because they are sure that if it rains heavily there will be a red flag, it's not worth the risk of being too slow if the weather dries between sessions.
jdlive wrote:I'm wondering more why they aren't driving? This would separate the men from the boys but apparently they are a bit afraid there aren't too much men left [-o<
If you get to the point where there's enough water on the track, then the tyre physically can't grip the road. At that point it's not about skill anymore, it's about physics.
JT's right; even if they COULD clear more water, every car may as well be driving inside a waterfall; you can't see anything. At that point, the distinction is not between "men" and "boys", its between "men" and "idiots".
You can deal with poor grip, people have been doing so since the dawn of racing. But if you can't see anything, its not racing, because it would be stupidly dangerous to try and race in such conditions.
Amazing torrential rain performances and not to mention the gentlemanly rough but clean wheel to wheel racing. Epic in my books.
So if the tyres can handle it and the chassis are given enough ride height, there is plenty of more running to be done should it rain cats and dogs.
Awesome video. No quarter asked for, none given. Great stuff.
F1 should be able to run in any conditions. The public do (yes, I know it's a race car driving very fast). We drive to the conditions, whatever they are, so should they. F1 cars should adjust and run to suit. If a car spears off, then it's a clear sign the car and/or driver cannot cope. Maybe there's too many tyres, thats' the issue for not wanting to cart them around. Wet races do allow certain drivers cars to shine and they should have that opportunity.
no, neither is 4 hours of nothing with red flag. At least we're seeing the cars go around and they're trying to clear water. I'd rather see them trying to run, than not. The whole point is to put on a 'show' isn't it?
Don't get me wrong; I'm all for a good wet race. I think they're great. However, there are situations - luckily, they're rare - when both cars and drivers simply cannot cope with the conditions, and neither improved wet tires nor extreme wet setups can change that.
Mother Nature can always trump the efforts of man.
I'm simply afraid that we're going ever closer to the lame american style where NASCRAP can't be bothered to run if it's sprinkling, and the same goes for baseball, but that's another story.
The FIA needs to allow super wet races and let the teams sort themselves out. And one can argue that if they qualified with a dry set up they don't have a chance in the rain, which is correct, so the FIA should also let them make the necessary ajdustments for wet weather. 100,000 people show up and they sure as heck don't want to see a safety car lead them around or sitting on the grid.
That Kubica vs Massa video gave me the goosebumps and really got me pumped about pure wheel to wheel racing regardless of the conditions.
This is true. There will always be a cut off, but do they do enough to try and stay running? I recall watching a F1 race at the Nürburgring in 2007 and there was a river going across the main straight. Cars were flying off everywhere - and look at the speed they were doing. Most had wrong tyres on. There were a few who slowed down, and stayed on the track. F1 is a test of man and machine and I think they can do a better job of running in bad weather. Bring back the monsoons and let 'em run.
bhallg2k wrote:NASCAR runs if it's wet and the race is on a road course. To try that on an oval would be suicide.
It's suicide if they don't drive to the conditions. They will have to run slower, yes, but that's all part of it. I can't stop all the cars on the road when it pours, we all slow down and pick our way through. They're highly paid professionals, let them earn it.
I disagree with all arguments, these guys are good enough to find a way to drive these cars in such conditions, it will be a lot slower yes, but why not? If necessary, they drive at 1/4 throttle, they'll find a way. Also, they CAN drive around spray with differening driving lines, this would again add another interesting element.
Sure you aren't going to get a standard race at full speed but so what? I would have loved to watch that.
And they are I'm afraid evolving to not driving in rain entirely. They're becoming way too conservative on anything safety related.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
bhallg2k wrote:NASCAR runs if it's wet and the race is on a road course. To try that on an oval would be suicide.
It's suicide if they don't drive to the conditions. They will have to run slower, yes, but that's all part of it. I can't stop all the cars on the road when it pours, we all slow down and pick our way through. They're highly paid professionals, let them earn it.
100% agreed!
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
Cam wrote:This is true. There will always be a cut off, but do they do enough to try and stay running? I recall watching a F1 race at the Nürburgring in 2007 and there was a river going across the main straight. Cars were flying off everywhere - and look at the speed they were doing. Most had wrong tyres on. There were a few who slowed down, and stayed on the track. F1 is a test of man and machine and I think they can do a better job of running in bad weather. Bring back the monsoons and let 'em run.
I'm starting to like you Cam! Man and machine it would be then, not idiot and machine
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
