F1 Backmarkers:

[Monster_Energy_F1]

Following on from my Caterham discussion, another thing that has really puzzled me is Marrusia. The have the backing from Virgin, a company that has seemingly an abundance of money, so the definelty have the firepower to create a good car. Surely this means that they can do well. The McLaren partnership should also help them but no ....nothing.

Caterham are probably the best of the newbies. But following on from the discussion I don't think they should launch their car first. Chiefly because that would indicate to most that they are ready and have a good car. They have two decent drivers bringing money and sponsors as well as a decent team handling technicality's. Also to a lesser degree because that way they cannot copy innovations from different teams. I know it sounds wrong but often this seems to be the case.

Torro Rosso have really dissapointed me. They say that they don't need RBR help however when it comes down to it they rarely or have not finished in the points. Daniel and Jean both were hyped up as new Vettel's however neither really seems to deliver. I think it was a mistake to let the more experienced Jamie and Seb to leave because so far the decision hasn't really payed off.

HRT are not really me wasting my time on. They have done as expected but after 3 years in the sport surely they should be able to submit their crappy car within a reasonable FIA deadline.

An overall question:

How come a lot of f1T people use (inc me) have F1 cars, models and/or virtual which hypothetically seem quiet good, but when it boils down to it teams like HRT end up producing awful cars when it seems to me many of us (NOT ME!!!!) could produce better ...just a thought, don't want to spark an argument with any HRT Engineer that looks at this.

[strad]

It seems to me you are operating under the Money Can Buy Performance school of thought. While money is certainly helpful, I have found over the years that if you don't have the right people in the right positions, you cannot buy performance. There have been any number of people and companies that thought they could buy a championship...didn't work out.

[N12ck]

How come a lot of f1T people use (inc me) have F1 cars, models and/or virtual which hypothetically seem quiet good, but when it boils down to it teams like HRT end up producing awful cars when it seems to me many of us (NOT ME!!!!) could produce better ...just a thought, don't want to spark an argument with any HRT Engineer that looks at this.

I can tell you my car when I ran simulations on it it didnt come to an F1 cars amount of downforce, I will not disclose the actual figures, but all I will say is it was not at the level of downforce of an f1 car, and none of us would expect it to be....

if you think about it, we design a car on paper and transfer to cad, in cad (particularly google sketchup) you get fasitization which separates the flow sooner than what it would if it were to be produced in real life, also apart from that the f1 cars on the grid are designed as a whole package, knowing how each part interacts with other parts, we can merely guess, until we run CFD, but due to the time it takes to run the CFD, and any development I do takes ages to check its effects on the aerodynamics, where f1 teams can do this all the time relatively quicker compared to me.

I am sure HRT produce way more downforce than any of the 'engineering project cars'

[RB7ate9]

The problem with the last note is in considering that HRT's car is "awful". In the pinnacle of motorsport, "awful" is still "impressive". I'm sure that for these new constructors who didn't inherit a whole team like Brawn GP or even Red Bull, creating a team that can handle the pace of a F1 season - let alone the car that can handle the pace of others with WDCs at the controls - the effort is aimed at solid, consistent performance with improvements against your closest rivals. Marussia is aimed at Caterham (and doing ok). Caterham at TR (slowly, but hopefully the recent updates will bring them closer) and HRT has a whole slew of outside factors that are holding up progress (and their drivers aren't doing them much favors either).