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I assume it's because you slide sideways more and actually cover more track when going flat out?
This would explain why not everyone today took it flat out. Some went flat out, some lifted a bit, others even shifted down.
Enlighten me on why this is the case
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
Because the following straight. You're going to hit top speed regardless so the actual corner exit speed from Raidillon isn't as important as you might think.
If their current gear doesn't have the pull to make it up the hill without significant slow down due to being too long, shifting down may be the faster option.
loading the car does slow you down ..simple as that.intain speed you need to release the car ...or in modern words be flat ...so avoiding sideloads will free up power to gain speed .
Sailing through Eau rouge at maximum attack will potentially slow you down more than entering at a bit lower speed but resulting in a better more controlled " free " corner exit and better lap time -and a lot less risk....as villeneuve put it Flat is giving you pride and respect but maybe not much in terms of laptime.
I think he lost "necessarily" there. I believe what he meant is that say you have 300 hp more and you couldn't do it flat out, or you put a massive wing amount which made it easy to go flat out, in first option you would be much faster on a lap despite not going flat out, in the second you would loose more time despite going flat out. Or you can go flat out, but take too much kerb and put dirt on your tyres, doesn't make your lap better too. Going flat out is just a psychological stimul.
thearmofbarlow wrote:Because the following straight. You're going to hit top speed regardless so the actual corner exit speed from Raidillon isn't as important as you might think.
Hitting top speed earlier on should lead to a faster lap?
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
So, we have differing opinions on why this is the case, I think they all make sense.
Could it not be as simple as: flat out means more turning/more metres of track covered, while not flat out translates into a straighter line and less metres of track covered, which nullifies the advantage of the higher speed when flat out?
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
Wasn't this the underlying cause of Hamilton and Kobayashi coming together in 2011? Hamilton was much faster through Eau Rouge and Raidillon so he passed Kobayashi . However Kobayashi had a better setup for the long Kemmel straight which allowed him to get alongside Hamilton.
Perhaps we should be thinking of cars that are setup with higher downforce are able to to go flat out, but that might not be the optimum setup.
Now we have several reasons. Does anyone know THE reason? Or is it all of these reasons together?
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
My guess is that Jacques is suggesting that taking the right hander on a tighter (slower) line (shown in blue below) sets you up for a straighter (faster) run through the left hander compared to the opposite (red) line, which could potentially mean more speed down the following straight.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
timbo wrote:Of course if you look at nearby thread about McLaren telemetry, even at low DF wing Eau-Rouge is flat out in a modern F1 car.
They don't all do it though. I was there the whole weekend and some lifted, some downshifted, some took it flat out.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
timbo wrote:Of course if you look at nearby thread about McLaren telemetry, even at low DF wing Eau-Rouge is flat out in a modern F1 car.
That's a real shame, a better test of driver skill would be 90% throttle, some would be able to get to 92%, some would be fearful at 88%, others would think they could get away with 92% and fail. That would be a better differentiator between car/drivers than all of them taking it with their foot flat to the floor.
