Telemetry chart - McLaren Spa 2012

[aero expert 807]

I kinda don't understand the fuss about him putting it on twitter any other that it goes against the principle of sharing intern information. Yes I know other teams will be studying this, but how much of information are they going to pull out of that, that really benefits them?

If he starts this bad habbit of posting this info, one day he will post something that is valuable information

The question is: how valuable is the information the driver gets? I don't see him getting windtunnel information, that is somethng for the engineers. But yeah, I can see your point. Though I think this kind of information should be open to the fans anyhow.

I think the managers,not the drivers,should decide what gets realesed.
After all,thats why they have managers

[turbof1]

I think the managers,not the drivers,should decide what gets realesed.
After all,thats why they have managers

Yes of course, but that's the problem with F1 being more like a company: they aren't going to bring out alot of infomation. Even information like this, which doesn't actually harm the team, they rather keep behind closed doors. Indeed that is how a company works, but this is not something the fan wants.

Don't get me wrong: Lewis should be more carefull. I think however it should set a debate in motion to get such information more into the public.

[marcush.]

some information you can and have to pass on ..mind you there is alot to learn on the other side as well .So itis dumb to try to keep all inside .As i said before the racing world is a small and tightly woven one so you will not keep your secrets long anyways.Being secretive or paranoic just will close channels of information that could be random but helpful and you miss more than you could possibly help with being a bit more open.
I´d say revealing a lap printout is of course first to be signed off by the lead engineer and a senior team member but that is really the offence ..he revealed detail information without permission just to help his own ego .I accept this is not a good move.but the printout really is a lame duck not worth arguing over.

[aero expert 807]

I think the managers,not the drivers,should decide what gets realesed.
After all,thats why they have managers

Yes of course, but that's the problem with F1 being more like a company: they aren't going to bring out alot of infomation. Even information like this, which doesn't actually harm the team, they rather keep behind closed doors. Indeed that is how a company works, but this is not something the fan wants.

Don't get me wrong: Lewis should be more carefull. I think however it should set a debate in motion to get such information more into the public.

Maybee the FIA should Mandate that teams release a certain amount of info a month,then the teams decide what info they release.I would enjoy sifting through all that data

[turbof1]

I think the managers,not the drivers,should decide what gets realesed.
After all,thats why they have managers

Yes of course, but that's the problem with F1 being more like a company: they aren't going to bring out alot of infomation. Even information like this, which doesn't actually harm the team, they rather keep behind closed doors. Indeed that is how a company works, but this is not something the fan wants.

Don't get me wrong: Lewis should be more carefull. I think however it should set a debate in motion to get such information more into the public.

Maybee the FIA should Mandate that teams release a certain amount of info a month,then the teams decide what info they release.I would enjoy sifting through all that data

As long as it is meaningfull data which is not a duplicate of already known info. I dont want to have McLaren releasing info about which tyres they used or Lotus report on how many times kimi had to take a sh*t before the race.

[strad]

Interesting data overlay that Lewis Hamilton has posted on Instagram: http://instagram.com/p/PETRF0r08G/

that´s a nice little plot...hamsy feels he needs to share...

And he was called on the carpet for doing it.

[raymondu999]

Interesting data overlay that Lewis Hamilton has posted on Instagram: http://instagram.com/p/PETRF0r08G/

Mod Edit... Also see viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10557 for a similar chart from Monaco 2011

next time... save the photo....

Did you even bother reading the thread? Good Lord man. The photo is just 10 posts down from the opening post!

[bhall]

[...]

One rival team boss told AUTOSPORT that it had been 'gold dust' for his engineers in understanding the performance of the MP4-27.

[...]

"The actual mistake that Lewis made, which he understands, is that he didn't really appreciate the nature of that information.

"The engineers don't like to see that because we spend our lives trying to keep things like that secret. So it is more what it represents."

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said if one of his drivers had acted in such a manner than it would have been treated much more seriously.

When asked how he would have felt if one of his drivers had done it, he said: "They would not have been able to. It would be a breach of confidentiality effectively."

I don't buy that "gold dust" bit for one second. But, I do find it funny as hell.

[QLDriver]

Couldn't almost all of those channels be reconstructed from analyzing onboard laps of the cars? Especially when the FOM data overlay is there. Given that there are almost no setup parameters shown, I don't think it tells anyone anything that they couldn't have worked out.

[Shrieker]

Couldn't almost all of those channels be reconstructed from analyzing onboard laps of the cars? Especially when the FOM data overlay is there. Given that there are almost no setup parameters shown, I don't think it tells anyone anything that they couldn't have worked out.

Try telling that to the haters... Not that I think there any here though. However, I do think what's done was wrong in principle. Lewis must've been pissed as hell.

[bhall]

[...]

One rival team boss told AUTOSPORT that it had been 'gold dust' for his engineers in understanding the performance of the MP4-27.

[...]

I don't buy that "gold dust" bit for one second.
[...]

Actually, I take that back.

This...

...probably made this...

For a sense of context:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1zGUufkhQ0[/youtube]

...much more illuminating.

[raymondu999]

Why though? I mean, they're basically showing the same thing. I'm not quite seeing why one completes the other to unlock a new level of understanding.

[Shrieker]

I don't get it. Do you mean that the telemetry was a comparision of previous laps, and after looking at it Lewis overdrove to compensate and made things worse ? Please enlighten me as to what you really meant there as I'm curious to know.

[Jersey Tom]

Couldn't almost all of those channels be reconstructed from analyzing onboard laps of the cars? Especially when the FOM data overlay is there. Given that there are almost no setup parameters shown, I don't think it tells anyone anything that they couldn't have worked out.

There's nothing particularly valuable in it, no. In principle though, it's absolutely stupid. Drivers drive the car, it's not at all their place to make the judgement call for what data is harmless to release for public consumption.

[raymondu999]

bhallg2k is saying that the telemetry now makes the video much more illuminating, and that it now shows much more after analysis of the charts. But I don't understand why... (bhall, I'm not saying you're wrong. I just require more of that illumination )

To me, they're basically showing the exact same thing - except for pedal work, at least, which obviously aren't visible in the onboard comparison. But in terms of steering inputs, direction changes, speed, etc - it's all visible in both - just that the onboard shot shows it more visually whilst the data shows it more quantitatively.