bbc/sky conversations

[f1316]

I realised recently that Humphrey, Jordan and Coulthard are trying to be like the Top Gear presenters, which is why they have these transparent "situations" they find themselves in - e.g. Eddie Jordan arranging accommodation, sleeping in the same bed etc.

Taking aside that I personally find Jordan and, particularly, Humphrey really annoying, the problem with this idea is that it is not a pure light-entertainment show - they're actually supposed to be presenting sports coverage.

If there needs to be a whole hour of build-up to a race - and frankly, on both channels there's a lot of filler - I'd rather it concerned what was going on at the track or in the race, rather than some made-up hijinks.

I'd agree on the most part. The issue is that the filler on the BBC is silly, entertaining filler that you can take or leave, the filler on sky is disguised as content, but is actually empty of anything. The result is that it's much easier to watch the BBC, because it's very clear when they're doing their filler bit, and very clear when they're doing their actual real content bit. On sky however you spend all your time having to pay attention, usually to useless drivel.

Maybe I'll like the BBC more in the future

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19635534

[adam2003]

I realised recently that Humphrey, Jordan and Coulthard are trying to be like the Top Gear presenters, which is why they have these transparent "situations" they find themselves in - e.g. Eddie Jordan arranging accommodation, sleeping in the same bed etc.

Taking aside that I personally find Jordan and, particularly, Humphrey really annoying, the problem with this idea is that it is not a pure light-entertainment show - they're actually supposed to be presenting sports coverage.

If there needs to be a whole hour of build-up to a race - and frankly, on both channels there's a lot of filler - I'd rather it concerned what was going on at the track or in the race, rather than some made-up hijinks.

I agree i dont usually watch the build up sunday as i know it will have irreverent crap on like what you mentioned about sleeping in the motor home what a load of rubbish that was.

And some of the other stuff they show is so boring

[GrizzleBoy]

Sky has many more ways to reach and interact with its audience as evidenced in my screenshot on the previous page.

Hmmm? The screenshot on the previous page shows Sky's equivalent of 4OD – so Channel 4... have exactly the same ways to reach them.

I don't believe 4OD provides the ability to watch one programme from more than one perspective.

I'm not simply talking about on line streaming, I meant all the interactivity that goes with it. Essentially getting a better version of "red button" coverage on your PC.

If I uploaded the video that screenshot was taken from, you'd probably understand where I'm coming from. Too bad youtube doesn't like my recordings of Sky F1 lol.

[beelsebob]

Sky has many more ways to reach and interact with its audience as evidenced in my screenshot on the previous page.

Hmmm? The screenshot on the previous page shows Sky's equivalent of 4OD – so Channel 4... have exactly the same ways to reach them.

I don't believe 4OD provides the ability to watch one programme from more than one perspective.

I'm not simply talking about on line streaming, I meant all the interactivity that goes with it. Essentially getting a better version of "red button" coverage on your PC.

The "interactivity" is simply providing multiple streams, and a few links between them. There's no reason why Channel 4 couldn't do exactly the same thing.

If I uploaded the video that screenshot was taken from, you'd probably understand where I'm coming from.

No, I have sky, I know exactly what they have on offer. It boils down to a few streams and some links, nothing more.

[GrizzleBoy]

I think the fact that the Sky F1infrastucture already had all the framework set in place to do such things before it was exclusive is the point you are missing.

Its the difference between a guy at a job interview showing you a resume consisting of experience and qualifications you'd like to see for the role you'd like them to play, and a person simply telling you they "could" do it, given the resources, time, lack of experience and chance that they may not be able to do it at all.

[beelsebob]

I think the fact that the Sky F1infrastucture already had all the framework set in place to do such things before it was exclusive is the point you are missing.

You think channel 4 don't have the infrastructure set up to provide a bunch of video streams with some hyperlinks between them? What infrastructure do you think they're lacking?

Its the difference between a guy at a job interview showing you a resume consisting of experience and qualifications you'd like to see for the role you'd like them to play, and a person simply telling you they "could" do it, given the resources, time, lack of experience and chance that they may not be able to do it at all.

The thing is, that that's clearly inviable if the problem you're asking them to address is something extremely complex. But this is not. This is a matter of providing multiple live streams on a web site with a bunch of hyperlinks between them, this is not rocket science. In fact, it could be argued that 4OD already does every single thing required of it, it just happens that the hyperlinks go to unrelated streams, instead of related ones.

[Richard]

Jake Humphrey is leaving the BBC for BT's Football coverage in 2013. He's a good presenter so i can see why they poached him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19635534

[stewilkinson]

The presenter on Sky who isn't Brundle ALWAYS gets the drivers wrong during the race and it really, really grates.

[Hangaku]

What I prefer about the Sky coverage over the BBC coverage, is that it's impartial.

BBC obviously have an affinity with RedBull, and Coulthard's bias towards them is jarring.

Also, Sky doesn't have Eddie Jordan, which a big boon. He's a crackpot. I'm serious about my F1, so I don't want some bumbling fool who claims to be "in the loop" with all the big players, jumping around on my screen on a Sunday afternoon. I can quite happily watch Mark Blundell, Damon Hill, Martin Brundle and Johnny Herbert all having decent technical discussion after and before the race, and it's genuinely interesting.

I put it to you that the BBC coverage is geared towards the sports fans, and the Sky coverage is geared towards the F1 fans.

[beelsebob]

What I prefer about the Sky coverage over the BBC coverage, is that it's impartial.

BBC obviously have an affinity with RedBull, and Coulthard's bias towards them is jarring.

Wow, that's the first time I've heard that one... I'm a massive Hamilton and McLaren fan, and even I'd say the BBC have an enormous McLaren, Button and Hamilton bias. I'd have to agree that Sky's coverage has less bias.

Also, Sky doesn't have Eddie Jordan, which a big boon.

I disagree.

He's a crackpot.

He's a "crackpot" who successfully ran an F1 team for many many years. That should tell you how much the guy knows and understands what's going on. He plays up on the TV, and goes for the extreme positions, because it stimulates discussion (usually with DC who takes up the opposite extreme) about the topic. I'd much rather this discussion of the extremes than see Sky's bland coverage of the obvious.

I'm serious about my F1, so I don't want some bumbling fool who claims to be "in the loop" with all the big players, jumping around on my screen on a Sunday afternoon.

Honestly, if you take F1 that seriously, and are not a team boss (or engineer), you need to get a life. It's a sport – an entertainment. It's explicitly not meant to be something serious.

I can quite happily watch Mark Blundell

Makes me fall asleep he's so middle of the road and dull.

Damon Hill

Never says anything I wasn't already thinking.

Martin Brundle and Johnny Herbert all having decent technical discussion after and before the race, and it's genuinely interesting.

I disagree... Ultimately, this gets to the core of why I don't like the sky coverage. They never say something that makes me think "hmm, that's an interesting take on it", they say generic things that I had already covered in my head. Meanwhile, the BBC in having two "buffoons" take up extreme positions manage to come up with things that make me think. I may think "wow, you're talking bollocks" a lot of the time, but at least I think!

[Hangaku]

Wow, that's the first time I've heard that one... I'm a massive Hamilton and McLaren fan, and even I'd say the BBC have an enormous McLaren, Button and Hamilton bias. I'd have to agree that Sky's coverage has less bias.

You've seriously never heard anybody mention anything about David Coulthard's bias towrads Red Bull. Seriously? I assume you watched the BBC coverage the last two years?

He's a "crackpot" who successfully ran an F1 team for many many years. That should tell you how much the guy knows and understands what's going on. He plays up on the TV, and goes for the extreme positions, because it stimulates discussion (usually with DC who takes up the opposite extreme) about the topic. I'd much rather this discussion of the extremes than see Sky's bland coverage of the obvious.

He's a crackpot that was rich enough to own an F1 team, and rich enough to employ a bunch of people that knew what was going on. He's never come across as anything more than someone with deep pockets and a few ideas - he's hardly a Peter Sauber now, is he? There are many more team owners that I'd much rather listen to, that are much more informed.

Honestly, if you take F1 that seriously, and are not a team boss (or engineer), you need to get a life. It's a sport – an entertainment. It's explicitly not meant to be something serious.

Eh, so I'm not allowed to take it seriously? Fair enough, that's your own opinion. For me, it's something I hold dearly, and have for many years. I can treat it as I choose

[adam2003]

Will bbc be showing races next year some live and repeats?

[multisync]

Best on F1 anywhere is Gary Anderson.

[adam2003]

Do each company get their own commentary box?
how many commentary boxes are their at each race?

I take sky get priority over BBC?

[adam2003]

Also the races they do before the formula one the other series, support races where do they put all their trucks etc? always puzzled me