And yours sound like some retarded conspiracy theory that has less weight to it then if people landed on the moon.raymondu999 wrote:It might. Yours sounds like wishful thinking to me. But to each his own.Nando wrote:Makes absolutely zero sense to me but to each his own i guess..
Mate I'm not trying to attack your stance here. I'm just saying that from my perspective it sounded like wishful thinking. Why are you being so hostile?Nando wrote:And yours sound like some retarded conspiracy theory that has less weight to it then if people landed on the moon.raymondu999 wrote:It might. Yours sounds like wishful thinking to me. But to each his own.Nando wrote:Makes absolutely zero sense to me but to each his own i guess..
Whoever leaves next year is irrelevant to what is going on today.
Dragonfly wrote:Even if McLaren do not put a foot wrong, after the facts are known, the atmosphere is not the same. The motivation is not the same.
Hostile? I was the one saying ok, fair enough we don´t see eye to eye.raymondu999 wrote: Mate I'm not trying to attack your stance here. I'm just saying that from my perspective it sounded like wishful thinking. Why are you being so hostile?
A team that wins the WDC has no benefits other than the marketability of the guy in the year after, and the prestige, but then the prestige will go to Merc as they can have the number 1 on the car, rather than Mclaren. Once Hamilton dons his Mercedes gear in 2013 it makes no difference to McLaren whether or not he won the 2012 WDC. I have a more cynical view, that's all - I don't think that it will just be business as usual in the last 6 flyaways.
Ron Dennis also doesn't have a history of maintaining bridges with ex-drivers, to memory.
As Dragonfly said:Dragonfly wrote:Even if McLaren do not put a foot wrong, after the facts are known, the atmosphere is not the same. The motivation is not the same.
Who said that? Because I sure as hell didn't.Nando wrote:To even come with the idea that they would in some shape or form try to slow Hamilton down to not win a title is ridiculous.
raymondu999 wrote:I'm not saying that they'll STOP him being world champ. I'm just saying they'll keep the status quo as 2 equally-treated drivers. If Lewis wins the 2012 title then... yay. If Lewis doesn't then... "oh well. He's moving anyways"
So mine was crazy talk to you. Yours was to me too. We're two different people with very different upbringings - probably in different continents. It's very possible that one man's crazy is another man's honest opinion.then you said wishful thinking which to me is crazy talk compared to what you presented yourself.
Yes, but they generally sponsor the WDC, rather than the team that he won it with (ie they'd go with Hamilton and sponsor him at Mercedes, rather than sponsor McLaren FOR powering Lewis to the championship)Nando wrote:Obviously there´s a HUGE benefit in being [...] WDC champions in terms of sponsors.
For a team WCC points is what matters.Yes, but they generally sponsor the WDC, rather than the team that he won it with (ie they'd go with Hamilton and sponsor him at Mercedes, rather than sponsor McLaren FOR powering Lewis to the championship)
And what about all that juicy money that comes with coming first?raymondu999 wrote:Because in my view the primary benefits of winning the WDC go away. Sure you have the prestige - but that's about it. They wouldn't even carry the number 1 anymore - and all the marketability the reigning world champion would bring.Nando wrote:why not? They still want to win titles and to maximize the points in terms of WDC and WCC it would be best for Button to let Hamilton past.
the team only get more money for winning the WCC, not WDC. And the difference between WCC and runner up is not enough to pay for LH salary.Cold Fussion wrote:And what about all that juicy money that comes with coming first?raymondu999 wrote:Because in my view the primary benefits of winning the WDC go away. Sure you have the prestige - but that's about it. They wouldn't even carry the number 1 anymore - and all the marketability the reigning world champion would bring.Nando wrote:why not? They still want to win titles and to maximize the points in terms of WDC and WCC it would be best for Button to let Hamilton past.
To win ALL remaining races LH will need the team to make him the no.1 driver at the expense of JB and it will be most unthinkable for any team to do that for a driver that is leaving for a rival team.Red Schneider wrote:Are you guys seriously suggesting that McLaren will lose some motivation to make Hamilton WDC? Craziness. Whatever happens after this year, a Hamilton WDC for McLaren this year is something McLaren will always have on their resume. If I recall correctly they have 12 WDCs to Ferrari's 15. Don't you think they want to get to number one?
I would be utterly shocked if they chuck it away. Frankly if they do so then Hamilton was damn right to leave.
McLaren doesnt need that kind of motivation to do everything to help Hamilton win the title. They are a racing team, and at any given point will want an additional WDC irrespective of who wins it for them, and irrespective if their newly crowned champion takes off to another team. That has always been, and will continue to be their motivation.radosav wrote:mclaren could push even harder for Lewis to win WDC just to show him and whole world that he made stupid move when he left Mclaren.
