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zac510
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< 1litre diesel cars

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Howdy all, I'm looking for sub-1 litre diesel cars.

So far I have only found the Daihatsu Charade diesel which is 993cc.

There are a lot of members here from far away so is there anything else that I can add to my list? It can be LHD too.

Anything from Russia or Eastern Europe available?

Carlos
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I'm not very smart ---But I believe the displacement of the Smart Car is 698cc ? Also a Turbo D version?

Regards Carlos

zac510
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haha, bad pun :)
Yes it appears they did! A bit too expensive though :( Thanks.

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What are you going to do with such a monstre engine?

Carlos
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Zac---Does it have to be a diesel? Memory serves me poorly--I believe a Micro Van of English manufactery---using a motorcycle engine and perhaps a CVT or centrifical clutch---that qualifies as a motorcycle or low speed vehicle ( cheap insurance and licensinf fees in the most beautiful Islands of the World---The Brtish Isles---I don't wish to ofend a Scotsman :wink:--who by the may are world famous as engineers and draftsman---a compliment to make up for any " Scotish ofense" :wink: ) exists-- the Axiom---the Axion?? is sold ( used ) in the Glory that is the UK.
Also---the Japanese makers--- in days long past ---marketed the 360cc ,2-stroke class world wide--sedans, hatchbacks, lorries and pickup truck styles---I have often thought---metering propane---used here to power forklifts inside factories---directly into the presurized crank case--- could make a very eco-friendly solution--- stand well back when you first fire it up---I have never been brave enough to try this experiment--and be sure to engineer lubrication---these sometimes show up here on e-Bay for under $300USD in N. America---these fine lightweights may have been sold in The B Isles.

Would you please extend me a kindness? PM me the make and model of the silver sportsracer that flashes on your avatar!

Also ---with so much talk of the Fiat 500 on F1 tech---consider a classic example of this Golden Example of the Automotive Art.

Regards aned SportsRacer Curiosity: Carlos

zac510
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Carlos, yes it has to be diesel because I would like to run it on biodiesel fuel. What do you know about biodiesel?

I did send you a PM last week! I'll send it again ;)

zac510
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Carlos, you have two messages from me in your inbox!

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:oops: Sorry couldn't think of or find any other 1 litre diesels. All I could think about was using a Peuget 1.4 diesel. This is quite a common motor as it was also installed in Citroens and Rovers. You would either have to sleave the cylinders or fit a short stroke crank or use 3 cylinders, but I think it will give you more headaches than it cures :?

Sounds like the Dihatsu is the way to go :wink:
NickT

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Tom
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Rovers use Citroen engines?

I didn't know that, I do know that the k-series is increadably crap and the majority will blow the head gasket within a few years. heh heh
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

Carlos
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Opps!---Yes I have your 2PM's--Why is it that my facility for language frolics---doesn't include utilization of our forums simplest features? Thank you so very much!

Biodiesel is heavily promoted in the US---but very little is actually made. It is most often used for transport trucks---as the fuel stations are mainly on the interstates---and their are not many stations. It's mainly a "buzzword concept"--- something we like to talk about but really -really aren't that interested in--- or else N America would produce more. Since N America is the centre of the Universe of Fried Food---have you ever noticed how rotund our tourists are when they visit your country? And why do they dress so badly? Why are they wearing oversized childwear? There are some questions that even, may. baffle Ciro, Manchild and DaveKillens. Have I offended anyone yet? Non? I must try harder. :wink: N Americans---usually---wear a proper suit twice in their lives---at their "1st" marriage and at their funeral--well, no thats really only once isn't it---one does not notice what they are wearing on their "end-day"--do they? Now---I own 22 suits---and wear them. Everyone assumes I work for the CIA, Mossad or may have been given back-dated Enron shares--if they had ever interviewed me for---Oh---slush-fund-bagman.

Back to Bio-fuel. Restaurants dispose of the spent grease--it is harvested by eco-hunter-gatherers--reprocessed and used to fuel vehicles

Fried Food is of course cooked in oil---usually vegetable oil---after repeated use--it becomes rancid with food remains, moisture and acid.Then of course---even we won't eat anything thats been cooked in it. Hard to believe--but true.

The US seems to believe that the Future of Bio-fuel is ethanol distilled from corn--we import so much wine from Ciro's S America that---perhaps--we have so much excess corn---that it will be processed into ethanol. Very inefficent carbohydrate stock for making ehtanol---Brazil---where people actually enjoy everyday life---almost as much as Columbians do---use sugarcane stock to more efficently produce more ethanol than the same volume of corn ever will---oh.

I forgot to mention that we used to use corn to distill whisky---you know--Moonshine---and let me tell you, the moon does shine after drinking a jam jar of it---back to auto racing---the souped up, tuned up sedans used by Moonshine Runners were the forebearers of NASCAR---or was it NASA? I'm not sure which.

In conclusion ---let me say this was written for 2 reasons:

1) [For the North Americans] If you can't laugh at yourself occassionally---who can you laught at?

2) I had to read 14 pages about ( The Horror...The Horror---as Joseph Conrad wrote) MS retirement and the "MS Tributes" (which was worse than paying 33% of every dollar I make as taxes--- or, rather Tribune)
Do not make the mistake of thinking I don't like MS---I am ambivalent about him---just as I would never tell a woman that she has------ mistakenly,tucked her dress into her personal linen upon exiting the ladies restroom. I would never say that MS is not a successful F1 draysman,,,I mean driver. I would let him buy me a beer anytime, anywhere---but then---I'd let just about anyone buy me a beer, then pretend to listen to their stories, as I drank "their" beer, just as fast as I can. Making a quick exit to "pit-stop"---far away---at 60K---not wanting to incur an FIA penalty--for being ungracious.

Regards Carlos

So read it as humour (this disclaimer: Ciro taught me to use it---often included at the end of his posts) I have really not meant to offend anyone.

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Zac510---On a serious Biofuel Note---I would speculate that N America will eventually settle on a fuel combination of soybean oil---which is grown here in abundance and ethanol derived from "sugar-beets"--(which was a source of sugar-before the wholesale importation of "cane" sugar from the tropics)---although sugar beets are not now widely cultivated. Actually, with the world wide consolidation of the liquor corps., there are, or will be, many redundant distillery plants, which would be ideal, and not require excessive capital---to switch to the production of ethanol. An interesting side note is that N America is shying away from buying the large pickup trucks and SUV---which have been the cash cows for GM and Ford. Fuel economy has become an issue with buyers---finally. North Americans seem to use more energy than any other region of the planet.
Sales have dropped alarmingly.


Regards Carlos

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Yes I used to work in pub kitchens - the left over fryer fat is disgusting stuff!
Best we burn it all up in our cars ;)

It seems to be becoming moderately available in Western Europe, though I wouldn't want to have to use it full time as there is only a single outlet in the whole of London!

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Ciro Pabón
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There are several companies that develop small diesel engines, if you find reasonable to buy a car and sell (and buy) the original (and "biodiesel") engine:

- Yanmar: smaller engine they produce, 219 cc (13 cubic inches). They have a line of variable speed engines that give you 22 hp :( on 854 cc :)

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- Eastern Tools and Equipment: 300 cc and 400 cc for generators, lawn mowers and compressors.

- Kubota Engines: they go as low as 480 cc. Their 720 cc version delivers 19 hp.

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I have no idea if these engines can run on "recycled cooking oil".

http://www.DieselEngineTrader.com and http://www.DieselEngineMotor.com have search features that allow you to find small diesel engines.

I would like to remark that the diesel small engines presented do not offer precisely an "ecological" power ratio. A dual (or tri-al :roll: ) natural-gas/ethanol/gasoline Nissan engine, like the one I have, delivers almost 5 times the power at less than twice the displacement. However, biodiesel can be cost effective in your area.

By the way, I looked around for how much "grease" we can recycle into cars, like zac510 wants to do, and had not success/time. Has anyone stumbled on a paper on recycling oils for cars?

What I did find was an extremely interesting paper on ethanol (joseff, if you read this, I was wrong about the Hectares of crop needed per car, there you'll find the numbers). Reading about it, I found the discouraging remark that diesel engines cannot use ethanol :(. Is this true?

As I always say :oops:, you have to look at the big picture when you think about the most "wise engine", and I always :oops: offer the example that hydrogen cars contaminate more than gasoline cars, because they use coal/hydro produced electricity or hydrogen made from normal oil, whose actual production is a chemical mess.

You know, when I buy a car, being a "relative cynic", I am not worried about the planet, I am more worried about my family, thus I choose my car mainly based on present economics. Only when I work as consultant for the government do I think about my grand-grand children... :wink:
Ciro

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Buy a copy of Neal Thompson's " Driving With The Devil, Southern Moonshine and the Birth of NASCAR" which will be published Oct 3rd--To get a little insight into the Bio-fuel---moonshine.

Regards Carlos

zac510
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To be honest with you guys I haven't looked into making the stuff myself. I simply don't have the space or equipment. My flat in London doesn't even have any outside space!

Ciro, isn't ethanol an alcohol, thus bioethanol would probably work in a conventional spark ignition engine?