What comes after V6?

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While fumbling around the older parts of the website i came across a "what comes after v8's" thread, this inspired me to make this thread surely they cant go lower than 4 cylinders!!
What do you think??
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pascaljackson
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v12 3.5l

Lycoming
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Electrons.

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Lycoming wrote:Electrons.
No :lol:
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umm, V7
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Probably 1.1L inline 3 pot thats turbo and supercharged that rev to 13,000 RPM with 350 Horses without ERS. ERS will probably give 350 to 450 Horse. However the ERS will be used when the car goes below 100-120 KPH and only above that does the I3 kicks in. However there will be a opening up to plenty of engine technologies that will bring power to the engines, yet offer plenty of opportunity to show off their efficiency to get this power and speed from a specific amount of fuel as F1 will become a fuel formula in 2020-2022 when the next generation of engine is due.

Think of a Toyota Aygo engine that has been modded to tweedele dee and back and a ERS thats 3 to 4 times as powerful as the Audi or Toyota LMP HY systems.

However by then the engine and ERS will probably have to last for as much as 5,000Km, witch in effect is 6 to 7 GP, so you would have a 3 engine limit per year as well. Witch 2 engines would do 7 GP and one with 6 GP. As for Gearboxes, they will probably be limited to 2 per season by then. New engines or gearboxes will have a 10 place penalty for the first 2 events with the third having a 5 place penalty, this is in order to force reliability on the manufacturers.

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0.8L Wankel...uhhhhhh on second thought maybe not

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I think the formula will last very long because it is not engine related. It is primarily fuel flow related. It could be possible that they will even liberate the V6 requirement and let the manufacturers decide what they want like they do in LMP. I would like to see that. But having said that I have also to say that the V6 100 kg/h formula will probably run for at least as long as the new Concord Agreement.
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the first time there was a fuel quantity limit for turbo F1 (in the 80s) the rules immediately banned engines with less than 4 cylinders
presumably they didn't want twin or single cylinder 'eco-freak' engines

allowing twins would amount to advertising for Fiat

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AlpineF1 wrote:While fumbling around the older parts of the website i came across a "what comes after v8's" thread, this inspired me to make this thread surely they cant go lower than 4 cylinders!!
What do you think??
I hope they will open up the regulation to allow teams/manufacturers to explore different possibilities as long as they are within the carbon emission limits set by FIA.

So on the grid, we might have e-tron, diesel, hybrid, petrol etc.

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Tommy Cookers wrote:the first time there was a fuel quantity limit for turbo F1 (in the 80s) the rules immediately banned engines with less than 4 cylinders
I cannot remember to read anything about that before. I know that historically there were bans on maximum number of cylinders, for instance more than 12. And the fuel tank capacity limit in 1986 was very different to the fuel flow limit of 2014. Do you have a source for that minimum cylinder rule?
Turbos were officially banned in 1989 because they were deemed too expensive to develop and too dangerous due to their high power generation. I privately believe that was a load of bull. Ferrari simply had no chance against Honda's V6 turbo and they lobbied the turbo ban in an attempt to gain an advantage using their historic design competence of V12s. Power could have easily been limited by reducing the boost as they did in 1988 and V12s are not intrinsically cheaper than turbo V6. It was simply an exercise of political power to stop the Japanese domination which was massive in the McLaren MP4/4.
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Diesel ... I can just imagine the large black cloud smoke coming out of the exhausts at, however, 1800 RPM and average consumption of 8L/100 km.

Joking aside, I don't know how the V6T formula would work, but I hope to stay like that for a long time, if it's good, and no 4 cylinders - that will surely sound awful with presumably low RPM.

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2 litre V10 with no minimum car weight, no rpm limit and active aero sufaces.

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coaster wrote:2 litre V10 with no minimum car weight, no rpm limit and active aero sufaces.
wet dreams :D

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The next engine power plants will be all electric engine, with big speakers at the back, to play loud v12/10 engine sound recorded early :lol: