What are the odds of Alonso losing it?

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CHT wrote:Making such bold statement will actually put unnecessary pressure on himself and the team. Having said that, the Italians are known for their philosophical speech, so I am sure they will be able to orchestrate a soft landing if things doesnt turn out right.

My guess is that Luca will say that Ferrari has failed Alonso...and then someone will be sacked.
If luca says that, then it will be 100% true.
Alonso is in no mood to put a foot wrong this year, I think we can all agree on that, but we all know he cannot do it by himself.

Im not a fanboy of him, but damn, but he is really a brilliant driver, and he showed it again this weekend.
I think, better on the current grid, there is none....Vettel is closest to him, followed by Hammy and Kimi.
Supid statement maybe, but that takes nothing away from how well he is driving
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Oh of course not. He's driven darn well this year. Driver of the year no question. But it doesn't change that it was a slightly braindead comment.
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raymondu999 wrote:Oh of course not. He's driven darn well this year. Driver of the year no question. But it doesn't change that it was a slightly braindead comment.
Well, if you look at things before RB surprised with the DDRS, the statement didnt look so dumb.
But in hind sight as everything always is, its stupid. But i think its going to take a miracle for him to win it now...

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raymondu999 wrote:Oh of course not. He's driven darn well this year. Driver of the year no question. But it doesn't change that it was a slightly braindead comment.
It is understandable for Alonso to feel frustrated at the fact that Vettel could beat him to become the youngest 3xWDC this year. Which mean come next year, Vettel will be the most "successful" driver on the grid.

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Gerhardsa wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:Oh of course not. He's driven darn well this year. Driver of the year no question. But it doesn't change that it was a slightly braindead comment.
Well, if you look at things before RB surprised with the DDRS, the statement didnt look so dumb.
But in hind sight as everything always is, its stupid. But i think its going to take a miracle for him to win it now...
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Gerhardsa wrote:Well, if you look at things before RB surprised with the DDRS, the statement didnt look so dumb.
Nor would I have called it dumb. But I'm saying it's dumb, precisely because it was said post-race after India.
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Word is, Ferrari got a "silver bullet" up their sleave, hence Alonso being so confident:

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raymondu999 wrote:Fool is not a word I would normally associate with Alonso... but if he doesn't end up winning the 2012 WDC he will end up looking like a twat
I see where you're coming from, and would somewhat agree. However, despite the odds being that VET will annex WDC #3 even before Brazil, quite a lot of people have already in their minds & hearts crowned ALO as the sentimental people's champion. When they look at him, they won't see pie on his face... Rather, they'll see a proud champion who showed true grit & heart in going toe-to-toe against vastly superior rivals, in the end going down fighting yet still proud & defiant.
...Alonso said: "Not at all. I think it is more challenging for us now, but I remain 100 per cent confident that we will fight for this championship, and we will win it."
With these words of his, I'm under the impression that he's trying to put/shift the pressure on the team. It's like saying, "I'm in it -- all in -- to win it. From me, you can all be sure of a heroic effort of epic proportions. So if we don't win this in the end, then don't go blaming me because I'm not the one who did not deliver."

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Hey folks, here is an updated link to the Pirelli compound chart vs winners http://f1goggs.wordpress.com/2012/10/18 ... ce-winner/

There is clearly no rhyme or reason to is, however, that being said, the result this past weekend in India did follow the chart, true to form.

Here is another link to an article about Alonso comments intentionally or non-intentionally playing head games with Vettel.
http://f1goggs.wordpress.com/2012/10/29 ... ot-enough/
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Hiya F1 Goggs, welcome to F1T. I see you've seen how I and RB7ate9 have been posting your findings :lol:
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raymondu999 wrote:Hiya F1 Goggs, welcome to F1T. I see you've seen how I and RB7ate9 have been posting your findings :lol:
Yes thanks mate, much appreciate it.
Let's see if the good people at F1 Technical can recognize these three F1 chaps http://f1goggs.wordpress.com/2012/10/23 ... et/3kings/
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Gerhardsa wrote:
CHT wrote:Making such bold statement will actually put unnecessary pressure on himself and the team. Having said that, the Italians are known for their philosophical speech, so I am sure they will be able to orchestrate a soft landing if things doesnt turn out right.

My guess is that Luca will say that Ferrari has failed Alonso...and then someone will be sacked.
If luca says that, then it will be 100% true.
Alonso havent put a foor wrong this year, I think we can all agree on that, but we all know he cannot do it by himself.
I don't agree! Well, obviously Alonso is a top class driver, but at Suzuka he did put his foot wrong and sent himself out of the race at the first corner. When considering Massa's performance in Japan, where he went through the field to take 2nd place after having started 10th, it is likely that Alonso lost at least 18 championship points through his mistake in Japan. These 18 points could easily turn out to cost him the title.

How many points have Vettel lost this year through mistakes of his own? I can only remember the 5 points he lost in Germany for overtaking Button off the track without giving the place back. Giving the place back would have given him 15 points (unless he would have been able make a legal pass stick at a later point). His penalty left him with only 10 points, so he lost 5, maybe 8 points on that mistake. Has Vettel done any other obvious mistakes this year?

For some reason people seem to assume that whenever Alonso performs well, it is due to his own skills, while when he performs bad, it is due to a bad car. It is correct that Ferrari had a pretty bad car in the beginning of the season. But their car turned out to perform great in wet conditions and there has been a lot of wet races and qulifying sessions this year. And although Ferrari didn't have a great car at the beginning, they improved it and for several races this year, Ferrari has been better than Red Bull, the earlier mentioned race at Hockenheim being one example. Reliability-wise I believe that Alonso has had the best car this year.

I think that Alonsos chances are now pretty slim. He probably needs to beat Vettel in all of the 3 last races, while Vettel only needs to beat Alonso once in order to end up with more points in the end. This is under the assumption that other teams will keep driving slower than the title favourites. Even if Ferrari can improve, it looks unlikely that they will be able to consistently beat Red Bull, especially since Red Bull seems likely to start each race with two cars in front of Alonso. Ferrari are quite close to Red Bull in the race, but far off in qualifying. And as we saw in Japan; Alonso isn't flawless. I struggle to see any evidence which demonstrates that Alonso deserves the title more than Vettel, or that Red Bull through the whole year has had a superior car to the Ferrari.

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Stradivarius wrote:
Gerhardsa wrote:
CHT wrote:Making such bold statement will actually put unnecessary pressure on himself and the team. Having said that, the Italians are known for their philosophical speech, so I am sure they will be able to orchestrate a soft landing if things doesnt turn out right.

My guess is that Luca will say that Ferrari has failed Alonso...and then someone will be sacked.
If luca says that, then it will be 100% true.
Alonso havent put a foor wrong this year, I think we can all agree on that, but we all know he cannot do it by himself.
I don't agree! Well, obviously Alonso is a top class driver, but at Suzuka he did put his foot wrong and sent himself out of the race at the first corner. When considering Massa's performance in Japan, where he went through the field to take 2nd place after having started 10th, it is likely that Alonso lost at least 18 championship points through his mistake in Japan. These 18 points could easily turn out to cost him the title.

How many points have Vettel lost this year through mistakes of his own? I can only remember the 5 points he lost in Germany for overtaking Button off the track without giving the place back. Giving the place back would have given him 15 points (unless he would have been able make a legal pass stick at a later point). His penalty left him with only 10 points, so he lost 5, maybe 8 points on that mistake. Has Vettel done any other obvious mistakes this year?

For some reason people seem to assume that whenever Alonso performs well, it is due to his own skills, while when he performs bad, it is due to a bad car. It is correct that Ferrari had a pretty bad car in the beginning of the season. But their car turned out to perform great in wet conditions and there has been a lot of wet races and qulifying sessions this year. And although Ferrari didn't have a great car at the beginning, they improved it and for several races this year, Ferrari has been better than Red Bull, the earlier mentioned race at Hockenheim being one example. Reliability-wise I believe that Alonso has had the best car this year.

I think that Alonsos chances are now pretty slim. He probably needs to beat Vettel in all of the 3 last races, while Vettel only needs to beat Alonso once in order to end up with more points in the end. This is under the assumption that other teams will keep driving slower than the title favourites. Even if Ferrari can improve, it looks unlikely that they will be able to consistently beat Red Bull, especially since Red Bull seems likely to start each race with two cars in front of Alonso. Ferrari are quite close to Red Bull in the race, but far off in qualifying. And as we saw in Japan; Alonso isn't flawless. I struggle to see any evidence which demonstrates that Alonso deserves the title more than Vettel, or that Red Bull through the whole year has had a superior car to the Ferrari.


I may be wrong, but I believe Kimi Raikkonen accidentally did hit Alonso at the back of his car at Suzuka, hence Alonso lost control and spun. One evidence why Alonso does deserve the title is because despite being in a car well off the pace the entire season, he still managed to lead the championship and is still only thirteen points behind Vettel. The true pace of the Ferrari is reflected in Massa's results, this is why Alonso is known to 'overperform' the car.

Vettel's an absolute beast of a driver, no doubt whatsoever, but these past three years he's had one of the fastest cars, (if not fastest in 2010).

this is just my opinion though.
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raymondu999 wrote:Oh of course not. He's driven darn well this year. Driver of the year no question. But it doesn't change that it was a slightly braindead comment.
It is understandable for Alonso to feel frustrated at the fact that Vettel could beat him to become the youngest 3xWDC this year. Which mean come next year, Vettel will be the most "successful" driver on the grid.
Good point. At the moment Alonso is still ahead with the numbers of GP wins and will keep that status whatever happens this year.
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Stradivarius wrote:
For some reason people seem to assume that whenever Alonso performs well, it is due to his own skills, while when he performs bad, it is due to a bad car.
Completely agree, people are dissing off Vettel coz he has a good car
When Vettel wins it is his car ....and when he looses it is coz he can only win in good car
And when Alonso wins it is his skill not the car.....and when when is looses it's the car

This attitude is pissing me off, I have seen the same attitude from people when Schumy was winning everything

Vettel and Schumy are absolutely untouchable if they get a winning car and also can put a poor car near the top when it is needed and that is what brings them sucesess and all the records they have now.