What are the odds of Alonso losing it?

[F1Goggs]

You should really credit the source of this content.
SOURCE: http://puref1.com/2012/10/29/f1-conspir ... 12-f1-wdc/

I am not the first person to suggest that there is a certain coincidence between various events this season, Renault (Lotus/Red Bull) and Ferrari and their respective drivers.

Simply as an exercise in futility and poking the fire as devil’s advocate, would you not agree that both (partners) Lotus and Renault have had a direct impact on the title chase this season?

Vettel failed to finish in Valencia due to an alternator malfunction and then again in Monza with a similar issue. Although he was classified as finishing 22nd, he effectively did not complete the race and failed to collect any points. Both issues caused by Renault and the lack of reliability of one of its parts. This is fact, not opinion.

In Valencia, Fernando Alonso was victorious and continued his championship chase after which he became the first driver to win two races in the first half of the 2012 season. Effectively, this was the beginning of his title charge and the first sign that Alonso was a title contender. The Spaniard, in fact, collected many points and podiums in every race this season except two (thus far). This is also fact, not opinion.

The two races in which he failed to collect points were due to his inability to complete the races. In Belgium, Alonso’s F2012 was severely molested with reckless abandon by an impetuous Romain Grosjean at the wheel of his Renault powered Lotus. By sheer coincidence, In Japan, Fernando suffered a puncture to one of his rear tyres after contact with Kimi Raikonnen, also by chance, at the wheel of a Renault powered Lotus… This is happens to be fact and not opinion as well.

By sheer chance, it just so happens that Alonso and Vettel are the two drivers battling for the crown. A battle that has been, by coincidence only, heavily influenced by Renault directly or indirectly. Somehow, the only other real contenders this season drive for McLaren which inexplicably, have had serious inconsistencies in form. At moments they seemed to be untouchable and other moments unimaginably off the pace.

The truth is, Ferrari have failed to give Fernando Alonso a car of equal or greater performance that the one inked by Newey at Red Bull. While Red Bull got off to a slow start, they are peaking at the right time. Ferrari can blame the wind tunnel and problems with scale and direct correlation but the reality is, that they will lose a title that seemed to be solely in their hands until just a few races ago.

For the sake of Formula One fans everywhere, I hope that Ferrari can answer back and give Alonso a car capable of taking the fight to Vettel. Regardless of who wins, as I have no vested interest in either party, fans want to see a fight. We all want to see real racing for this title.

[FoxHound]

I thought I had qutoed that
My bad but that is to your credit for sure.

Edited and credited!

Not all busted ....I have misquoted several pieces. The joys of using an Iphone with 3g servers.

[siskue2005]

Lol busted

[F1Goggs]

No worries, just trying to be fair to Rick McCabe at PureF1.com

[FoxHound]

No worries, just trying to be fair to Rick McCabe at PureF1.com

It's one of the reasons I waded into this debate, and I wanted to quote his piece as a precursor to the rest of what has thus far been fairly amicable debate up until the previous pages last 2 posts.

@raymondu999
The point of comparing drivers is a fools errand I agree. I was responding to what stradivarius used as a comparison.
But we can comapre relative car performances, and as I have said a fair few times...Red Bull have been throughout the season, the car to have. Not all the time, but more often than other teams.

[raymondu999]

The point of comparing drivers is a fools errand I agree. I was responding to what stradivarius used as a comparison.

He wasn't actually MAKING that comparison - he was using an extreme example to show how the logic wasn't working. He purposely chose a bad comparison to show that the comparison was bad.

But we can comapre relative car performances, and as I have said a fair few times...Red Bull have been throughout the season, the car to have. Not all the time, but more often than other teams.

It's very hard to judge that this season IMO. Race pace has proved to be an entirely different animal to quali pace, and the topsy turvy nature of the season before makes the averages hard to work out. I think the McLaren (on season average) still might be equal to the current Red Bull, though I could be wrong.

I do remember at a point a while back that I noted that the Ferrari was consistently 2nd or 3rd best car for a stretch of races from Spain to Germany - and IMO in that stretch it was the best car. A consistent 2nd is better than 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th on consecutive weekends, if you know what I mean.

[FoxHound]

@raymondu999
McLaren would definitely still be in this, I agree. But a mixture of misfortune/incompetance/lack of reliability, has put paid to their chances.
On pure speed, McLaren have been about as quick as Red Bull.
But Ferrari aren't really comparable.

Like you said, it's really about 2nd/3rd fastest car consistently, quickest only a couple of times. And there is a consistency, which saw Alonso lead the championship.
And I hate to go back to Massa, but he lacked this overall consistency in the same car.
I'm not sure Vettel would agree about having 2nd or 3rd fastest car, because from what I can tell, even before the last 4 races he had a quick car.

Alonso says it.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-1/f ... 52143.html

Hamilton says it.
http://www.formula1fancast.com/2012/10/ ... FanCast%29

Webber says it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ebber.html

The press are all saying it. And we even have Hamilton saying this:
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12479/8204395?

I mean, what more can you really add? Vettel, very good driver nevertheless. So I'm not hating, just commenting...

[Jeffsvilleusa]

Mid soon Ferrari had the better car and the end of the season RBR has it
The difference here is Vettel is like Schumy if he gets a competitive car no one can stop him, if Alonso couldn't maximise he good car mid season and score like vettel is doing now, then it is his and his teams problem

So Alonso aficionados stop whining that they don't have car now, coz in the midsession they surely had the best car which is clearly evident from their points total. Vettel and alsono had 2 dnfs this season so they even now.
What If Alonso ends up winning the rest of the three races ? Will it be down to car or driver?
Defenitly car!
Now may the best man or rather the "best team" win! Coz this is a team event

I think the difference in performance between the Ferrari at it's peak with the rest of the pack and the Red Bull now with the rest of the pack is not equal. The Ferrari wasn't as dominant as the Red Bull is now. Anyway this is a chicken-egg discussion. Both good teams, both good drivers, but I think Red Bull has more going for them overall, as you a say, as a team.

[godlameroso]

Would it be a stretch to assume that the fastest car is the one that's leading the constructors championship?

[raymondu999]

At this point in time - no. But I don't think that's always the case. There are times when the WCC lead is down to the drivers. For example in 2010 there were times when McLaren were leading the constructors

[FoxHound]

At this point in time - no. But I don't think that's always the case. There are times when the WCC lead is down to the drivers. For example in 2010 there were times when McLaren were leading the constructors

So why are they leading the constructors championship?

[RB7ate9]

Driver consistently in the points. When Vettel was struggling, Webber was in the top 5. Now, in the later part of the season, Vettel is storming, and Webber is still there in the top 5.

[jdlive]

Because that Ferrari has been the fastest Sunday-car over the course of the entire season.

Don't say it...prove it!

I'll be waiting

How do you want me to prove this, I don't have all the lap times and other data

I can only go by what those that do have it say.

[CHT]

I actually think through the season mclaren ferrari and RBR all have their ups and down and we cannot simply say that RBR is the best car by huge margin. Let's not forget that earlier in the season there was many talk here that RBR will suffer most from the ban on ebd as many are saying that last year car was design around it. And they were right. At some point in this season, RBR was struggling in quali and race and it was only in the last few races that they have rediscover their form. And I think this is because RBR simply is the best team on the grid for development and this is no difference to team who have won wcc Wdc in the past.

[siskue2005]

I actually think through the season mclaren ferrari and RBR all have their ups and down and we cannot simply say that RBR is the best car by huge margin. Let's not forget that earlier in the season there was many talk here that RBR will suffer most from the ban on ebd as many are saying that last year car was design around it. And they were right. At some point in this season, RBR was struggling in quali and race and it was only in the last few races that they have rediscover their form. And I think this is because RBR simply is the best team on the grid for development and this is no difference to team who have won wcc Wdc in the past.

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