Suzuka

[FLC]

Give me a break! Stop crying like babies! Renault tried something to make Ferrari lose their edge and it didnt work. I gave you at least 3 reasons for why Massa shouldnt be penalised, and got no real arguments back, except that at Monza Alonso was like(???) on a flying lap, which suits the baby-Alonso-fans approach. Like? As if? Go play pretend baby-Alonso-fans. Oh, and when that didnt work where did they go to?! The usual runaway statement: The FIA favours Ferrari. Didnt I start with saying that this is expected?

[zenvision]

Massa should have been penalised simply because there was no gain/lost from any side. the same thing happened between alonso and schumi i think in magny an no-one made a fuss, if anything it was exciting.

[captainmorgan]

There was no rules infringement at Suzuka Qualifying, especially not after the clarification given after Monza. This is why Massa won't get knocked back, as there was no 'intentional' blocking. It's just the way the rules are constructed... All four Ferraris and Renaults were on the same lap all through Q3. Since Qualy this year is basically a mini-race, Ferrari could employ the same trick they used to help MS get all of the close wins, namely teammate blocking.

Since everyone's trying to get a fast lap, no one ostensibly has the chance to slow down to allow a pass, and as far as the rules are concerned, Massa could stay that way until either car pitted. Starting Grid for this mini-race is basically who gets out of the garage first, and at Suzuka Renault quite simply got beat to the pit lane start line.

[Principessa]

Go play pretend baby-Alonso-fans.

Everybody has his own opinion and there is no need to be rude towards Alonso fans or Schumacher fans or god-knows-who's fans!!!

[tpe]

As I would mention in my newsarticle (but I have left out as I have to be objective as news editor) I think that if they stewards are honoust, they have to give a penalty to Massa as well, just like they did during qualifying session at Monza!

OK, the Monza thing was out of question. I did not agreed then, I do not agree now. Also, I never believed that JV blocked Fisi during Euro GP. But, I cannot understand something: WHY Massa was blocking Alonso? They were in the first TWO laps with heavy cars. Do you really believe that Alonso saw the rain coming? When? The clouds apeared 5 mins later. In order to apply the same penalty, the same conditions have to be in order. In Monza Massa was on a hot lap. In Japan, Alonso and Massa were on the OUT lap. I think that all of you get the point.

[FLC]

Everybody has his own opinion and there is no need to be rude towards Alonso fans or Schumacher fans or god-knows-who's fans!!!

I'm sorry if you took offence, but I expect better arguments than pretend games when you point to rather serious accusations.

Massa should have been penalised simply because there was no gain/lost from any side.

Thats a very healthy logic you got there. Not. The whole point of punishing is to give the advantage back to the one who lost something. If nobody gained or lost than nobody should be punished. If Massa didnt cause Alonso any loss he should not be penalised. You dont punish the one that you like less.

[DaveKillens]

Although this occured on the first few minutes of the final qualifying session, there is no specific time when the deliberate rule is to be applied. Massa admitted he backed out to give room, because initially he was close to Schumacher. But Alonso was right behind Massa, and plainly obvious to me he was trying very hard to pass him.
If Massa was "just" backing off, then it was his obligation to allow quicker cars behind him to get past. He didn't and just the opposite. Even though this occured at a non-critical portion of qualifying, he still deliberately impeded another driver.
Whiting recently redefined this application of this rule, and my interpretation is he deliberately impeded another car.

There is a difference between backing off and blocking, and he did both, not just the former.

[Ciro Pabón]

Even though this occured at a non-critical portion of qualifying, he still deliberately impeded another driver.
Whiting recently redefined this application of this rule, and my interpretation is he deliberately impeded another car.

Well, this is my shorter post in ages: I agree.

[Lightspeed]

Anybody who thinks the FIA is partial to one specific team and degrades other teams, and STILL watches F1 is surely braindamaged.

[Lightspeed]

Although this occured on the first few minutes of the final qualifying session, there is no specific time when the deliberate rule is to be applied. Massa admitted he backed out to give room, because initially he was close to Schumacher. But Alonso was right behind Massa, and plainly obvious to me he was trying very hard to pass him.
If Massa was "just" backing off, then it was his obligation to allow quicker cars behind him to get past. He didn't and just the opposite. Even though this occured at a non-critical portion of qualifying, he still deliberately impeded another driver.
Whiting recently redefined this application of this rule, and my interpretation is he deliberately impeded another car.

There is a difference between backing off and blocking, and he did both, not just the former.

In Italy, Alonso who was on his out lap impeded Massa who was on a hot lap.

In Japan, Massa was not on his out lap and Alonso was still only in "fuel burn" mode.

There is a massive difference in the two cases.

[bhall]

But Alonso was right behind Massa, and plainly obvious to me he was trying very hard to pass him.

If Massa was "just" backing off, then it was his obligation to allow quicker cars behind him to get past.

Alonso wasn't quicker. He qualified fifth while Massa qualified P1. Had the roles been reversed, Alonso truly would've been impeding Massa, as Renault is nowhere near as quick as Ferrari this weekend.

What I don't get is that everyone else in the field found a way to allow good spacing between the cars on track. Why didn't Alonso? Is it because he knew he wasn't fast enough, and hoped to stir some controversy, or maybe even force a penalty?

[pRo]

Anybody who thinks the FIA is partial to one specific team and degrades other teams, and STILL watches F1 is surely braindamaged.

Love the sport, hate the marriage.

Why should I stop watching it? Why do I have a brain damage, if I don't?

Do you always quit when something you dislike happens?


Feel free to think what you think, but PLEASE don't call people names.

[Principessa]

I agree with Dave! Totally!

What happened in Monza can't be compared to this, because this was deliberatly blocking and in Monza, Alonso was more than 100 metres in front of Massa, going fast as Massa.

[janus]

allways the same talk stop whid this f1 is like any sport the decision has to be made on the spot in sort time sometimes they get it wrong this season you can say most times to renault but ist close depend on the point of view

last season in champions league on benfica vs barcelona puyol put a hand on the ball no penalty....on the 2 match at camp nou same thing but this time has a benfica defender and the ref give a penalty

And a i´m not complaning every time my team sufers by a bad call that i´m going to stop watching or that is a conspiracy ,etc i kepp going to the stadion and o will keep going to the track because ist the human error that make sport great

if you dont like it start a new championship widh robots that shud be fun we can talk about that mistakes but is enought net year shumi is out and some people will get another person to blame or another team its life

[boban-mk]

Some times i wonder did you believe in what are you writing. That is because i see that you always comment about actions of Ferrari but never, i mean never ever comment on Renault actions. If some one stands that respect regularity, that should be his view of things for everything, not just when that is making him happy and just making stubborn and blind. Massa was close to Alonso only in first lap of Q3. If you stand to regularity why you dont comment also about Renault entrance in start of Q3. But you probably didn't see that. Why we didn't have discussions about bloking MS in China, and i can only imagine what discussions will be if the situation was oposite. Why we didn't discussed the Fisicela defence from Schumacher pass at turn one in China.

After moment when Alonso start to cry on radio that his idea of pressing Schumacher from behind will not be fullfiled, probably you start to cry also. But why, i can say for nothing. I'm glad that McLaren will replace one good driver with another one. Only names will be changed. From IceMan to CryMan.