neither did Newey in the 2000s with McLaren and Red Bull...Joie de vivre wrote:nice. he didn't do well at mercedes
I think those for sure and more, strating from Jhon Heal (iirc), chief structural engineer from mclaren, plus the ex-mclaren vehicle dynamics chief (Tortora iirc) plus many others who are more junior and whose names have not made it to the press.Forza Ferrari wrote:So, if i recapitulate all the new faces at Ferrari this season are : Hamashima, Clark, Agathengelou, Bigois, sanchez...
Correct me if i'm wrong
Do you guys think it's positive or not so to bring in so many new engineers in such a short time?
I think you need to give him more than 1 year at the helm before you "Fry" him.WillN wrote:Ferrari this year have lacked initiative and creativity. From the start the 'aggressive' design was failing. The only initiative used this year was the Velica upgrade and the Coana exhaust. From there they have been playing around with the front and rear wing to no avail. Yes, the car has improved slightly in areas, yet no imaginative or initiative designs have been brought to the car. They say windtunnel issues are because of this, but why would the new front wings and rear wings keep coming to recent races from the Toyota windtunnel in Cologne; each providing a car 'the same as it was last race'. They used straight-line tests, for what, nothing positive seemed to come out of it. Alonso says Ferrari have the best team, while yesterday in FP3 they scrubbed tires, so they could warm up to optimal temperature faster, why not go out earlier and do one more lap? They also seemed to love the idea of towing in Monza and India, which proved pointless, a nice try but not good enough. The team needs a shake-up if it wants to compete next year, as this year the title hopes seem doomed. I get the impression when seeing Pat Fry that he lacks passion and he doesn't seem to have the command of other team principles. Bring on 2013 and lets pray Vettel can falter this year.
You can only push as much as your tools allow you to. They are still struggling to get their WT working properly. We still have no idea how their CFD facility is. With all these limitations they have come so far. I would say they have done a great job this season.WillN wrote:Ferrari this year have lacked initiative and creativity.
With 2 races to go, the F2012 is one of only 2 cars left that can win both the WDC and WCC. That is better than where the "F150th Italia" was at the corresponding race last year. So, what I see is a team that has improved on last year and is still fighting to be champion.WillN wrote:Ferrari this year have lacked initiative and creativity....
First of all, you and I as outside observers have no knowledge of whether or not this is the case. You say this because the pieces they've bolted onto the car aren't crazy looking? Ridiculous. We don't know what they've done with their powertrain, details of suspension topology and tune, race craft, etc.WillN wrote:Yes, the car has improved slightly in areas, yet no imaginative or initiative designs have been brought to the car.
