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will be sad to see the grid drop to 22 cars in 2013 if HRT drop out
but there might be a side benefit ...presuming the same format is followed there will be 6 cars knocked out in Q1 , so with only 2 back marker teams left that will mean 2 midfield cars to be eliminated , a lot tougher
or should they keep the 7 eliminations for Q1 and Q2 , leaving 8 cars in Q3 ......would that be better ?
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It will be a shame if they do go out, I like more cars in F1, but in my view they are not good enough to be in F1. Caterham and Marussia have progressed much better and should join the bottom of the main pack eventually.
I like the current format a lot ... in theory. In actual practice, we simply watch cars going around for 20 minutes just to eliminate one contender. No disrespect to the bottom three teams, but that's just how it ended up the past few years. If HRT drops out, then next year we'll spend 20 minutes waiting for 2 contenders to drop out. I understand that the regs are the regs, but my vote would be to stick with 7 eliminations in Q1 even if HRT drops out.
JimClarkFan wrote:How about a continuous sudden death for quali with the bottom driver being put out after every 3 minutes. Not practical but lots of fun
I don't think my heart could take wet-but-drying qualifying sessions
One thing i hope to see in the future of Qualifying is a shootout.
Q3 - the top 4 gets one outlap, hotlap and then an inlap.
Fastest time in Q3 is last man out. They do this in DTM and it´s not always the quickest guy that takes pole.
(by quickest i mean the guy who´s been on his game throughout the Q sessions but somehow failed to string one lap together when it really counted)
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As far as I can tell - without having all the information at my fingertips - the only thing currently wrong with qualifying is the top ten tire rule. Apart from that, it seems fine.
Not having refueling has killed the chance for any car other than the top few from consistently filling the top spots. Tyre temps and track temp also play too big a part in determining the grid. One hot lap or anything that allows strategy to shake up the grid.
Q1
Q2 - Top 16 (can´t remember exactly where the cut off point is)
Q3 - Top 10
Q4 - only for the Top 4 from Q3, one lap each completely alone on the track starting with the slowest guy of them.
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notsofast wrote:I like the current format a lot ... in theory. In actual practice, we simply watch cars going around for 20 minutes just to eliminate one contender. No disrespect to the bottom three teams, but that's just how it ended up the past few years. If HRT drops out, then next year we'll spend 20 minutes waiting for 2 contenders to drop out. I understand that the regs are the regs, but my vote would be to stick with 7 eliminations in Q1 even if HRT drops out.
regs can be , and are , changed ; that would be my choice as well ...would really bring Q1 to life
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Id say take 5 minuites off Q3 and make it a 5 minuite super session where as soon as you come in the pits its into Parc Ferme.
As for that 5 minutes, add it onto Q1 or Q2.
Something like this:
Start Q1 @ 1300
Finish Q1 @ 1325
Bottom 6 drop out
Start Q2 @ 1330
Finish Q2 @ 1345
Bottom 6 drop out
Start Q3 @ 1350
Drivers must go out in 5 second intervals with the guy who came P1 going out last on a single lap shoot out style where drivers have to do two fast laps, but if its wet drivers are allowed 3 fast laps. In order for a driver to get all fast laps in he must get on with it for the top guys, thus overheating tyres and damaging them. These are the tyres they will start race on.
Finish Q3 @ 1350
This way Quali is a centre piece, a way for it to play a part in the race, where the guys in the top 10 may be forced into an extra pit stop in the race.
The guys who got knocked out in Q1 dont need to worry about a twin tyre rule, if they want to run with 2 sets of primes they can do so. However they must be within 105% of the Q2 P1 time. So they have to be fast enough to get in and not cause a problem to the faster guys for the first 20 laps on average.
As for tyres, each car will have a set of options set aside for them for use in Q3, drivers who dont make Q3 will have this set released back to them for use in the race.
Quali and race tyre allocation will be 3 option sets and 2 prime sets.
FP1 & FP2 will see drivers have 2 prime and 2 option sets, FP1 drivers shall be given an extra set of options as well to run on. FP3, each car will have a set of prime and options.
Cars will have 4 sets of wet and intermediates, with cars being given an extra set of wets or inters if 10 0f the 11 teams agree at a pre race meeting for the race if all 4 sessions are wet enough to warrant a 5th set being needed. But wets and inters should be able to last 50 laps around an average 5Km track.
Lets up the pressure and up the performance level in F1 by quite a degree so that only the fastest 11, 12 or 13 teams in the world are on the grid.
However i came up with a whacky idea once, have the top 5 teams have 3 car teams with the top 2 guys in those teams in FP3 come through to Quali and the race.
Absolutelee wrote:In the olden days didn't they just take the fastest times from the practice sessions?
AKAIK, there was prequalifying session during the 80's and until mid 90's when there was too much cars engaged.
I think there was also prequalifying on 2003 or 2005 to determine the order of departure of qualifying (one lap only).
