Congratulation RBR and VETTEL

[Gerhard Berger]

Alonso was outperformed at least as often in the race as Vettel.
Lewis by Jenson many more times.

It is brought up as though Vettel underperformed by being outperformed by Webber 3 times in a whole year, (read: unlike perfect Alonso) while even the greatest driver are occassionally outperformed by their team-mates, weak or strong. It's a moo point to bring up.

If you read my reply, and the post i was replying to, it had nothing to do with Alonso or Hamilton.

[jdlive]

He made an incredible amount of really really poor driving, was nowhere when the car wasn´t up for the job and most of the time complained like a school girl.

Brilliant for him that he won but i don´t get that "champion´s drive" thing... i haven´t seen it.
Alonso drove like a true world champion, by far and away the better driver this year of the two.

Yes, he drove like a "true" world champion that didn't actually become world champion

Without Massa having to suck his **** and the FIA doing the same, he would have a lot less points, a lot.

[WhiteBlue]

Congratulations to Seb and the team. They did a magnificent job in very demanding circumstances. Both are very young but have achieved great things in a short time.
Well done obviously also to Fernando and Ferrari. They certainly did surprise me this year. Ferrari made a bullet proof car and Fernando extracted every ounce of performance from it. He probably did the best season of his life and would have equally deserved to win the title if the weather had been a bit different.
But luck in the end shone on Seb although it did not look like this initially. Once again Newey and his engineers were astounding. The way they fixed the exhaust and went on to extract performance from a car that was originally designed with a totally different concept was impressive. It reminded me a bit of the 2009 season when they were caught out without the double diffusor like most other teams but gave Brawn a valiant fight right to the end. Vettel and Red Bull were the only team capable of such an astonishing turn around. This time they did it even better, but it was really close.

[mnmracer]

It's a moo point to bring up.

Joey?

=D>

[mnmracer]

Alonso was outperformed at least as often in the race as Vettel.
Lewis by Jenson many more times.

It is brought up as though Vettel underperformed by being outperformed by Webber 3 times in a whole year, (read: unlike perfect Alonso) while even the greatest driver are occassionally outperformed by their team-mates, weak or strong. It's a moo point to bring up.

If you read my reply, and the post i was replying to, it had nothing to do with Alonso or Hamilton.

It has everything to do with Alonso and Hamilton.
It's like saying person X can't run 50mph, disregarding that neither of his peers can.
A moo point.

[Nando]

Yes, he drove like a "true" world champion that didn't actually become world champion

Without Massa having to suck his **** and the FIA doing the same, he would have a lot less points, a lot.

He never became champion because his car started out by being over a second off pace.

Oh yea Massa has been such a help, he had something like 10 points in the first half of the season, if that.
Maybe the last 3-4 races Massa has been on his game but other then that he´s been fighting caterhams.

[mnmracer]

Yes, he drove like a "true" world champion that didn't actually become world champion

Without Massa having to suck his **** and the FIA doing the same, he would have a lot less points, a lot.

He never became champion because his car started out by being over a second off pace.

Oh yea Massa has been such a help, he had something like 10 points in the first half of the season, if that.
Maybe the last 3-4 races Massa has been on his game but other then that he´s been fighting caterhams.

I'm pretty sure Vettel became champion with a car a second off pace at times
But yes, selective memory, why am I not surprised.

[Nando]

I'm pretty sure Vettel became champion with a car a second off pace at times
But yes, selective memory, why am I not surprised.

.....aaaaand now you wake up. Good morning.

[Raptor22]

Vettel once again proved that he has the temperament to be Champion. AT the start of the year when the car was not performing consistently he bagged as many points as he could and made the most of the occasions when he had performance.

Not sure this is true Raptor. He was getting outperformed by his teammate in several races in the first half of the season.

yeah and if you read his WDC interview after the Brazilian GP he says he was not comfortable with the way the car handled and hence he could not get the performance from it. It would turn the way he needed it too and it was too unstable at the back through the high speed corners. Webber felt more at home in the in season car. it improved for him during the year but the changes benefitted Seb more and hence he could drive it the way he wanted.
the result, WDC.
So I'm not sure where I lied or did not speak the truth in my post above....

[clipsy1H]

Good Job Sebastian I just wonder how could be if Michael blocks Vettel and let Kamui get close to them . After 1 lap Kobaiashi was right behind Michael so i'm sure Schumi can hold Sebastian for 1 more lap.

But to be honest Seb deserve more than Alonso this title.... in last 3 race he fight hard for positions and in 2 of them was last driver with huge gap between rest of drivers

[mnmracer]

I'm pretty sure Vettel became champion with a car a second off pace at times
But yes, selective memory, why am I not surprised.

.....aaaaand now you wake up. Good morning.

.910 seconds in a car that's got better qualifying pace than race pace.
But I'm sure in your reality Red Bull was the fastest car at every track, so please go ahead and keep living your life in denial.

[Nando]

.910 seconds in a car that's got better qualifying pace than race pace.
But I'm sure in your reality Red Bull was the fastest car at every track, so please go ahead and keep living your life in denial.

What race?

P.S. the red bull has ALWAYS during the season had better race pace then qualifying pace. At the end of the season they started solving the qualifying bit so it was on par with the race pace.

[mnmracer]

.910 seconds in a car that's got better qualifying pace than race pace.
But I'm sure in your reality Red Bull was the fastest car at every track, so please go ahead and keep living your life in denial.

What race?

P.S. the red bull has ALWAYS during the season had better race pace then qualifying pace. At the end of the season they started solving the qualifying bit so it was on par with the race pace.

Ah right, that's why Räikkönen was all over Vettel in Bahrain. That must be why Vettel held his lead so easily in Canada. Why Vettel was so easily taking on the Lotus' in Hungary, why Button on hards was faster than Webber on softs in the USA.

Serious, how do you come up with that? You really do live in a completely different reality.

[Cylinder]

Congrats Red Bull Racing and Adrian Newey for a fantastic mid season development effort and building another super fast car, they are a great team.

[Nando]

Ah right, that's why Räikkönen was all over Vettel in Bahrain. That must be why Vettel held his lead so easily in Canada. Why Vettel was so easily taking on the Lotus' in Hungary, why Button on hards was faster than Webber on softs in the USA.

Serious, how do you come up with that? You really do live in a completely different reality.

Why are you ignoring the question? What race?

Yea and apart from Raikkonen (who had a car that was known for taking care of the tires very very good) who was even in close proximity?

I don´t even think you watch the races, just check results on F1.com to be honest.

And you still haven´t shown anything that supports your theory that the Red Bull was better in Qualifying then in the Race.
You know why? Because it´s not true. Race pace has always been their strongest card compared to their qualifying not compared to others.

I suggest watching the races next time.