Cosworth leaves F1 after 40 years

[manchild]

Max Musolini has menaged to expel one more famous British name from F1. Cost-cutting in all its glory. Ferrari replaces Cosworth in STR - now that certianly reduces costs. Instead of what was logical now we'll have STR Ferrari and Spyker Ferrari. Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari... over and over again.

Well, that's what happens when people of a certain country unanimously proclaim someone's dad persona non grata and than his son from abroad does everything he can in his profession to harm that country.

As he said "F1 needs Ferrari" but for some reason F1 doesn't need engine manufacturer that has 176 wins and:

F1 Drivers' Champions (12):

1968 Graham Hill (Team Lotus),
1969 Jackie Stewart (Matra),
1970 Jochen Rindt (Team Lotus),
1971 Jackie Stewart (Tyrrell),
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi (Team Lotus),
1973 Jackie Stewart (Tyrrell),
1974 Emerson Fittipaldi (McLaren),
1976 James Hunt (McLaren),
1978 Mario Andretti (Team Lotus),
1980 Alan Jones (Williams),
1981 Nelson Piquet (Brabham),
1982 Keke Rosberg (Williams)

F1 Constructors' Champions (10):

1968 Lotus,
1969 Matra,
1970 Lotus,
1971 Tyrrell,
1972 Lotus,
1973 Lotus,
1974 McLaren,
1978 Lotus,
1980 Williams,
1981 Williams

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Le Mans 24 Hours winners (2):

1975 Jacky Ickx/Derek Bell (Mirage),
1980 Jean Rondeau/Jean-Pierre Jaussaud (Rondeau)

Formula 3000 Champions (6):

1985 Christian Danner (March Engineering)
1986 Ivan Capelli (March Engineering)
1987 Stefano Modena (March Engineering)
1988 Roberto Moreno (Reynard)
1989 Jean Alesi (Reynard)
1992 Luca Badoer (Reynard)

Indy 500 winners (10):

1978 Al Unser Sr (Lola),
1979 Rick Mears (Penske),
1980 Johnny Rutherford (Chaparral),
1981 Bobby Unser (Penske),
1982 Gordon Johncock (Wildcat),
1983 Tom Sneva (March),
1984 Rick Mears (March),
1985 Danny Sullivan (March),
1986 Bobby Rahal (March),
1987 Al Unser Sr (March)

USAC Champions (3):

1977 Tom Sneva (McLaren/Penske),
1978 Tom Sneva (Penske),
1979 A. J. Foyt, Jr. (Parnelli*)

CART Champions (9):

1979 Rick Mears (Penske),
1980 Johnny Rutherford (Chaparral),
1981 Rick Mears (Penske),
1982 Rick Mears (Penske),
1983 Al Unser Sr (Penske),
1984 Mario Andretti (Lola),
1985 Al Unser Sr (March),
1986 Bobby Rahal (March),
1987 Bobby Rahal (Lola)

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[zenvision]

Will Cosworth now put their engines in freeze too? As could they return in 2008 with Prodrive and then freeze the engine?

[joseff]

Didn't MS win 1994 with a Cosworth? Or does "Ford-Cosworth" not count?

[Tom]

I thought that was a renault engine, or was that only in 95+?

[allan]

no michael won on cosworth engine in 94, while benetton switched to renault engine after 1995

[Ted68]

Yep, Joseff, Ford-Cosworth is the same as Cosworth. Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth got their seed money from Ford for the DFV V-8. And MS's '94 ride also had a Cossie V-8.

Sad to see them go. As I said a while back, Williams-Toyota just doesn't sound right. Strange that with the return of the V-8 we lose them.

Ferrari also has a history of not playing fair with customer cars and engines. But then again, Spyker and STR aren't going to challenge for much more than not being last anyway. So that becomes a non-issue.

If Richards does come in with Cosworth power, he may be at a disadvantage as there will have been a year of "reliability" developement on the rest of the pack. But I hope he does.

[manchild]

Nope, in 1994 it was oficialy Ford ZETEC-R not Ford Cosworth



Type: Ford ZETEC-R V8 (EC, ECA)
Year: 1994 (EC), 1995 (ECA)
Number of cylinders: 8
Configuration: 75 degree vee, four-valves per cylinder, 96/60.4 (EC), 94/53.9 (ECA)
Weight: 135 kg
Capacity: 3497 (EC), 2994 (ECA)
RPM: 13800 (EC), 14000 (ECA)
Power: 740 bhp (EC), 610-630 bhp (ECA)

[bhall]

No one forced those teams to choose Ferrari engines, forcing Cosworth out. They did so of their own free will.

You can't blame everything on the FIA and Ferrari.

[Scuderia_Russ]

No one forced those teams to choose Ferrari engines, forcing Cosworth out. They did so of their own free will.

You can't blame everything on the FIA and Ferrari.

He does so with alarming regularity though.

[Ted68]

[quote="manchild"]Nope, in 1994 it was oficialy Ford ZETEC-R not Ford Cosworth[quote]

I stand corrected, but who built it?

[manchild]

Nope, in 1994 it was oficialy Ford ZETEC-R not Ford Cosworth

I stand corrected, but who built it?

Cosworth But officialy they are inlisted as Ford ZETEC-R

Same thing as with Mecachrome and Playlife engines (Renault).

[manchild]

You can't blame everything on the FIA and Ferrari.

Fact is that Max tell us story about cost cutting for the sake of small teams for years and years and nothing he does works that way.

Also, fact is that after 40 years Cosworth leaves F1 and fact is that Ferrari is filling the gap. Conclusion is so obvious.

[bhall]

What conclusion?

Red Bull signed up for Ferrari engines because of the Ferrari name. Spyker signed up because they and Ferrari share major shareholders, and because they are going to collaborate on an SUV.

The conclusion I've drawn is that those two teams wanted Ferrari engines. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why aren't you up in arms about Red Bull signing for Renault engines, literally forcing Cosworth out of STR? Same for Williams. Those two teams had a hell of a lot more to do with Cosworth no longer being involved in F1 than Ferrari.

Really, do you hate yourself when you bleed because of the color?

[Ted68]

Hey I'm no big fan of Ferrari but I don't think there's a conspiracy here either.

Spyker's investors have ties to Ferrari so that was a natural. And STR inherited the engine deal from Red Bull team who is switching to Renault. For them it is a step up from the Cossie V10. If Red Bull had a back room deal with Max and Luca, why would they put a Renault in their new Newey chassis?

I hate to see Cosworth go, but like Schumi or not, Ferrari has a better engine.

[Ciro Pabón]

I hate to see Cosworth go, but like Schumi or not, Ferrari has a better engine.

Sometimes you force me to repost and repost and repost... Stop it, will ya?

According to hard data, before Japan GP, the driver with more kilometers per engine is Scott Speed.

Enforced changes (incurring in a 10 place penalty):

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Number of enforced changes 
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Ferrari      9
Toyota       8 
Honda        7 
BMW          3 
Cosworth     3
Cos. V10     2
Renault      0 
Mercedes     0 
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Free changes (after failing to finish previous GP/no penalty)

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Number of free Changes 
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Honda        8 
Toyota       5 
Cosworth     4
Mercedes     4 
BMW          2 
Cos. V10     2
Ferrari      2
Renault      2 
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Then, even by engine, ordered by average kilometers per engine:

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Engine               E#    Km.     Avg.  Team(s) 
============================================================ 
Renault RS26         18  17,085   [949]  Renault 
Cosworth TJ2005-2    18  16,143    897   Toro Rosso   [V10]
BMW P86              19  15,316    806   BMW Sauber 
Ferrari 056          39  31,401   [805]  Ferrari, Red Bull
Toyota RVX-06        41  31,860   [777]  Toyota, Spyker MF1 
Mercedes FO108S      18  13,876   [771]  McLaren 
Honda RA806E         41  31,207   [761]  Honda, Super Aguri 
Cosworth CA2006      20  12,224   [611]  Williams
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                    214 169,112   [790]

Cosworth But officialy they are inlisted as Ford ZETEC-R

I understand that the ZETEC name in F1 is a "pure" marketing trick: Ford created the ZETEC engine line for stock cars. After that, Ford invested in Cosworth and changed the name of "their" Cosworth engine.

Didn't I see you in the olive groove with Jesus?