Who will Win Autosport Driver Of The Year 2012??

[mnmracer]

It's pathetic that all you can bring up is qualifying, and COMPLETELY IGNORE when the points are scored.
If it is as rediculous as you think it is, don't be such a pussy and explain why qualifying performance is more significant than race performance? Tell me then, or have the decency to acknowledge you don't know what you're talking about.

Race performance is more significant. after silverstone, Webber outscored and won more races than Vettel.

Aka, he was outperforming Vettel, he was out-qualifying Vettel regularly during that period too.



You gonna name all these Amazing drivers vettel was overtaking in abu dhabi? Go on, I need a laugh...

So we're back to the Hill-Senna scenario, where the numbers don't tell the story.
Senna's race performance was better than Hill's, yet he ended up on the backfoot.

Vettel's race performance was better in 8 out of 11 races.
If you still can not comprehend the impact of DNFs, than that is your handicap.

you don't deserve this

[Nando]

Ok lets stop all this, it's clear we will only get 5 more pages of the same crap.

And yes i was also involved.

[Cylinder]

So we're back to the Hill-Senna scenario, where the numbers don't tell the story.
Senna's race performance was better than Hill's, yet he ended up on the backfoot.

Vettel's race performance was better in 8 out of 11 races.
If you still can not comprehend the impact of DNFs, than that is your handicap.

you don't deserve this

This has to be a wind up.........

So when Webber outqualifies Vettel, suddenly quali doesnt matter, races matter.

So When Webber scores more points and wins than Vettel up until silverstone ( 9 races) ..........that's because Vettel was unlucky and because Mark Webber is damon hill and Vettel is Aryton senna in a re-run of the 1994 season.....

Best laugh iv'e had today, thanks for that.

Now.......Abu dhabi, lets look at some of the amazing rocketships vettel overtook on track in a red bull setup for overtaking with fresh engine and gearbox. (Some of these he passed twice)

Senna
Karthikeyan
Pic
Petrov
Glock
Kovalainen
di Resta
Grosjean
Vergne
Riciardo

Wow, this was an amazing performance, overtaking caterhams, marrusia's and HRT's in a red bull, no way could Alonso do that.

What happened when Vettel on fresh soft tyres came up against button on old mediums.....he passed him with ease right?

Oh wait.......

[mnmracer]

So we're back to the Hill-Senna scenario, where the numbers don't tell the story.
Senna's race performance was better than Hill's, yet he ended up on the backfoot.

Vettel's race performance was better in 8 out of 11 races.
If you still can not comprehend the impact of DNFs, than that is your handicap.

you don't deserve this

This has to be a wind up.........

So when Webber outqualifies Vettel, suddenly quali doesnt matter, races matter.

So When Webber scores more points and wins than Vettel up until silverstone ( 9 races) ..........that's because Vettel was unlucky and because Mark Webber is damon hill and Vettel is Aryton senna in a re-run of the 1994 season.....

Best laugh iv'e had today, thanks for that.

Wow, it's nearing the point that I can factually call you an idiot.
The fact you dance and jump around like a court jester having not the simplest understanding is just troll-like.

One last attempt:
Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button ended up with the same amount (2 points) of points.
Do you believe that
1) Jenson has performed just as well as Lewis has this year?
or
2) Jenson's position is flattered by Lewis' mechanical issues?

Wow, this was an amazing performance, overtaking caterhams, marrusia's and HRT's in a red bull, no way could Alonso do that.

I know it's hard to keep up, I know, but the question was, WHEN has Alonso done that?
And before you jump ship to Hamilton in Barcelona, don't bother; disregard the backmarkers and you have three overtakes there. Your perception is greatly interfering with reality.

[Cylinder]

Wow, it's nearing the point that I can factually call you an idiot.
The fact you dance and jump around like a court jester having not the simplest understanding is just troll-like.

One last attempt:
Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button ended up with the same amount (2 points) of points.
Do you believe that
1) Jenson has performed just as well as Lewis has this year?
or
2) Jenson's position is flattered by Lewis' mechanical issues?

Sebastian Vettel has had nowhere near the amount of mechanical failures, botched pit stops and drivers drving into him, that Lewis Hamilton has had this season, get that through you skull, its NOT a valid comparison, a bit like your "Mark Webber is Damon Hill and Seb vettel is Aryton senna in 1994 for 2 races" nonsense.

I know it's hard to keep up, I know, but the question was, WHEN has Alonso done that?

What overtake HRT's and Caterham's in a far faster car? i dunno, he's normally too busy overtaking mclarens , lotus's and red bulls on track whilst in a slower car, plenty examples of that this season.

If you want to see some real overtakes/racing, go see Alonso at Valencia, 11th -1st with an emphasis on the grosjean overtake when the lotus was the faster car.

Your argument is a horrible fail, hamilton and Alonso dominated their teammates over the course of the entire season, Vettel's teammate was beating him and out qualifying him regularly during the 1st half of the season. Simple as that really, just another reason why most of the board have Hamilton and Alonso as the most deserving drivers this year and not your homeboy vettel.

Now, listen, your making a fool of yourself tonight, have a kip, and come back tomorrow with some sensible chat.

Thanks for playing.

[SilverArrow]

Wow, it's nearing the point that I can factually call you an idiot.
The fact you dance and jump around like a court jester having not the simplest understanding is just troll-like.

One last attempt:
Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button ended up with the same amount (2 points) of points.
Do you believe that
1) Jenson has performed just as well as Lewis has this year?
or
2) Jenson's position is flattered by Lewis' mechanical issues?

Sebastian Vettel has had nowhere near the amount of mechanical failures, botched pit stops and drivers drving into him, that Lewis Hamilton has had this season, get that through you skull, its NOT a valid comparison, a bit like your "Mark Webber is Damon Hill and Seb vettel is Aryton senna in 1994 for 2 races" nonsense.

I know it's hard to keep up, I know, but the question was, WHEN has Alonso done that?

What overtake HRT's and Caterham's in a far faster car? i dunno, he's normally too busy overtaking mclarens , lotus's and red bulls on track whilst in a slower car, plenty examples of that this season.

If you want to see some real overtakes/racing, go see Alonso at Valencia, 11th -1st with an emphasis on the grosjean overtake when the lotus was the faster car.

Your argument is a horrible fail, hamilton and Alonso dominated their teammates over the course of the entire season, Vettel's teammate was beating him and out qualifying him regularly during the 1st half of the season. Simple as that really, just another reason why most of the board have Hamilton and Alonso as the most deserving drivers this year and not your homeboy vettel.

Now, listen, your making a fool of yourself tonight, have a kip, and come back tomorrow with some sensible chat.

Thanks for playing.

+1 000 000. I love this site and have been getting my dose of F1 on here for a while now, but man that guy is so irritating that I had to register just to say this.

There is no use arguing this any further. Let Vettel have his three titles. The higher he climbs, the harder he'll fall. True glory awaits those who work the hardest despite numerous failures. Ferrari seem to be on the right track, and we may just see another Schumacher-like domination in the works.

And best of luck to Fernando and Lewis, two drivers who have earned my respect.

[fritticaldi]

Romain Grosjean will win the award

[mnmracer]

Wow, it's nearing the point that I can factually call you an idiot.
The fact you dance and jump around like a court jester having not the simplest understanding is just troll-like.

One last attempt:
Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button ended up with the same amount (2 points) of points.
Do you believe that
1) Jenson has performed just as well as Lewis has this year?
or
2) Jenson's position is flattered by Lewis' mechanical issues?

Sebastian Vettel has had nowhere near the amount of mechanical failures, botched pit stops and drivers drving into him, that Lewis Hamilton has had this season, get that through you skull, its NOT a valid comparison, a bit like your "Mark Webber is Damon Hill and Seb vettel is Aryton senna in 1994 for 2 races" nonsense.

What is nonsense is your double standard, only made more rediculous by your incompetence in understand your hypocricy and your utter faillure to explain how Mark outperformed Sebastian, despite being slower in 8 of 11 races.

I know it's hard to keep up, I know, but the question was, WHEN has Alonso done that?

What overtake HRT's and Caterham's in a far faster car? i dunno, he's normally too busy overtaking mclarens , lotus's and red bulls on track whilst in a slower car, plenty examples of that this season.

If you want to see some real overtakes/racing, go see Alonso at Valencia, 11th -1st with an emphasis on the grosjean overtake when the lotus was the faster car.

Your argument is a horrible fail, hamilton and Alonso dominated their teammates over the course of the entire season, Vettel's teammate was beating him and out qualifying him regularly during the 1st half of the season. Simple as that really, just another reason why most of the board have Hamilton and Alonso as the most deserving drivers this year and not your homeboy vettel.

Now, listen, your making a fool of yourself tonight, have a kip, and come back tomorrow with some sensible chat.

Thanks for playing.

It's a shame you only choose to argue based on your perception, not on reality.

Alonso in Valencia?
Let's see.
Button and Rosberg dropped back in lap 1 (Massa also passed them), so that leaves an overtake on di Resta in lap 1 for p8.
Then it took him 8 laps to overtake Hülkenberg (something Massa could as well), and then Maldonado after his tires went off for p6.
Alonso then overtook Webber, Senna, Schumacher and di Resta on 15 laps older tires for p4. Hardly groundbreaking stuff.
He passed Hamilton in the pit lane thanks to McLaren for p3.
He then overtook Grosjean after the safety car in a move similair to Vettel's move on Rosberg in Australia or any of his moves into busstop.

So Massa was able to overtake Button, Rosberg and Hülkenberg.
Vettel has shown more than once able to do the kind of overtake on Grosjean.

So that leaves it to this:
- is Alonso really the only driver who could overtake Paul di Resta?
- is Alonso really the only driver who could overtake Maldonado on tires going off?
- is Alonso really the only driver who could overtake four drivers on 15 lap old on tires?

Is he? Or did Alonso just make good use of the strategy given to him, and the opportunities handed to him by Renault's alternators?

[Sombrero]

Yes, Alonso wins the prize for the most overrated driver this season...

[Richard]

The last few pages have been pathetic.

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