Cosworth leaves F1 after 40 years

[Ted68]

I truly appologize Ciro, I didn't see that post. Very intersting, but the ones in Massa's car don't count remember.

Well hopefully we'll see Cosworth back in 2008.

[manchild]

I didn't say that there's a conspiracy here but that Max showed once more his incompetence to cut costs. Small manufacturer was forced to exit F1 thanks to bad FIA politics and big manufacturer (FIAt) has replaced it. Conclusion is that costs are increased and once again Max will keep his chair although nothing he promised for 2006 actually happened.

Cars are faster, safety is decreased and legendary F1 name is forced out of F1 - those are results of "lets make cars slower to improove safety and cut costs to help small teams and manufacturers to survive" politics of MM.

[a fan of the red team]

williams toyota..... that does not sound right.... williams cosworth... now that is a beautiful name.... cosworth should stay... cheers

[manchild]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/55217

Cosworth's chances of F1 return dashed

By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, October 18th 2006, 15:45 GMT

Hopes that Cosworth could make a return to Formula One in 2008 have been dealt a major blow after Ferrari were given the green light on Wednesday to supply two customer teams with power units for the foreseeable future.

Cosworth had a good chance of making a comeback to F1 after 2007 with the FIA having laid down a rule stating manufacturers could only supply one other team with engines from 2008.

That regulation would have meant that Ferrari would not have been able to continue supplying both Red Bull Racing and Spyker MF1 beyond next season - meaning there would be an opening to help Cosworth make a return.

Cosworth's commercial chief Bernard Ferguson told autosport.com that the single supplier rule had certainly given his company the possibility of coming back – because Red Bull would have been forced to find a new engine partner from 2008.

"What happens in 2008 when, it would appear, that the most sensible thing for Red Bull and Toro Rosso would be to have the two cars on the same engine?," he said. "But if that is a manufacturer who is already in the sport as well, that by definition breaks a rule.

"If both those cars are Renaults, then that would be three teams with Renault. So maybe there is an opportunity there."

But the FIA has now dashed any hopes of such a situation materializing by stating that they have accepted a request from Ferrari to supply two teams with engines in the 2008 championship.

That means the Spyker MF1 will now be able to take up the options they have with Ferrari, while Red Bull may try and put together a long-term deal for Scuderia Toro Rosso to run with the Maranello power plants.

Cosworth, who have no contracts for next season, now appear increasingly unlikely to make a return at all

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HAHAHAHA... "no conspiracy"...

Someone should really check Mosley's financies to check if there's any red money

[bhall]

That's still not a conspiracy.

Ferrari asked a question, and the FIA said yes. Big deal. Renault, or any other manufacturer for that matter, could do the exact same thing. Would that be a conspiracy?

And even now, there's nothing to stop Red Bull from chosing to use Cosworths, or any other engine, at the end of their contract with Ferrari which concludes after next season.

If you really want to paint this as a conspiracy, you need to include every team in F1. No one has chosen to use Cosworth engines even though they are absolutely free to do so. Nothing, other than that fact alone, "forced" Cosworth out.

Stop blaming everything on Ferrari.

EDIT: I thought of something else.

This move by the FIA is rare in that it actually makes some sense. If they are really interested in cutting costs, then allowing teams to maintain the same engine supplier is good way of reaching that goal. The most expensive aspect of racing is change.

It doesn't make sense for the FIA to mandate that either Spyker or STR change to a different engine after 2007, and incur more costs in adjusting to that new engine, to simply justify the rule for 2008 that no manufacturer can supply more than two teams. That's especially true when you consider that if a team wanted a Cosworth engine in 2008, they would've gotten it for 2007 since the engines are probably going to end up being identical.

[Fan Solo]

Im with you Manchild

[manchild]

FIA promised that from 2008 one manufacturer can supply only one team and now just because Ferrari signed the deal with Spyker and STR FIA changes that decision.

If is a big word. If Renault would do the same than I couln't protest only about Ferrari & FIA deal but since Renault as well as any other team is in no deal with FIA than ifs and buts have no meaning. What FIA and Ferrari are doing is reality and saying that other teams would, could, might do the same is like giving aliby to a criminal saying that any person would, could, might commit the crime.

[johny]

are you saying that having just one engine supplier is reducing costs?? that doesn't sounds ok to me. If you've more to choose price will be lower.

And Ferrari engines are all but cheap, and RB complained about the number of revs, it's obvious that FIA won't say ferrari "no, you can just supply one of your wonderfull overpriced engine".

Let's keep on going towards the future Ferrari F1 WC.

[bhall]

You have to keep in mind that because there is no more engine development allowed, which carries the vast majority of the cost associated with engines, engine costs will drop. And in allowing teams to carry over engines from 2007 to 2008, as Spyker and either STR or Bed Bull will do, overall costs will fall in that those teams won't have to spend money to rethink the design of their chassis and other systems to accomodate a new engine architecture.

This is a rare logical decision made by the FIA for those reasons. If any other team had thought of it, there would be no discussion whatsover of conspiracy.

Also, let's not forget that Prodrive will be entering the picture in 2008. So they are either going to have to be supplied engines by a manufacturer that already supplies themselves and another team, as all but BMW do, or go to Cosworth or another independent manufacturer. Either way, it can't be said that small companies are being driven out of F1, or that there is a conspiracy to benefit Ferrari, because of this decision.

[pRo]

You have to keep in mind that because there is no more engine development allowed

They didn't really ban the engine development, did they? They just froze the current desing to be used in racing for few years. Surely everyone still keeps developing their engine during the freeze, unless they plan to drop out of F1 when the freeze is over.

[bhall]

I've read that Mosley wants to have the engine freeze in place until 2012. So if a team is developing an engine for the 2013 season, they're simply wasting money as there's no telling what the technical regulations will be by then.

[pRo]

I believe most "big" teams are developing and testing new ideas all the time, without knowing if it will be allowed when it's done. The info gathered from it might be useful anyway, even if that given development can't never be used on track.

[boban-mk]

It's nobody's fault about Cosworth except by them self. If any owner of a team can choose from Ferrari, Renault or Cosworth engine, it will choose anything but Cosworth. This season they had 6 or 7 specification, and no one of them wasn't reliable for two races. Maybe one of the reasons is because they had V10 engine in ToroRoso instead of V8. Also they are engine manufacturer, and create engines to be selled, so they can't compare with Toyota which probably will pay to Williams for their engines the be there also, and not the oposite as it's normal :) .