Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.
User avatar
FW17
171
Joined: 06 Jan 2010, 10:56

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

main diff between the early mclarens and ferraris of 2007 was the weight distribution for the bridgestone tyres

Once the data was passed on from ferrari to mclaren, the advantage ferrari had was negated.

Nando
Nando
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2012, 02:30

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

siskue2005 wrote:He can take setups of pirelli tyres to Merc
Merc have no clue how to setup their car for the Pirelli tyres
It´s two completely different cars. You can´t just transfer a setup and expect it to work on your machine.
"Il Phenomeno" - The one they fear the most!

"2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth."

User avatar
raymondu999
54
Joined: 04 Feb 2010, 07:31

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

How much benefit would driving style be? I mean - assuming Hamilton, Rosberg and Schumacher all have different driving styles, how much benefit would Hamilton be, in terms of being a testbed of a new driving style?
失败者找理由,成功者找方法

Nando
Nando
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2012, 02:30

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

I would probably put Schumi and Hamilton quite close to each other in driving style. Both are comfortable with the rear end moving around mid-corner whereas Rosberg seems to like the more planted, secure feeling like Vettel and Button.

I think the only asset apart from being stupid quick over a lap is the wider operating window.
Setup doesn´t have to be perfectly tuned for just those conditions.
If it´s a little so-so it´s manageable.
That´s where Button and Hamilton differs quite a lot even though Button on his best day can beat or come extremely close to Hamilton.


Edit: It´s funny because Rosberg is an old karting master but he haven´t retained any of that karting-driving style that we see so often in Hamilton´s driving.
"Il Phenomeno" - The one they fear the most!

"2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth."

User avatar
raymondu999
54
Joined: 04 Feb 2010, 07:31

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

That's not what I'm asking. I'm talking of tyres. Also, liking similar things, such as being "comfortable with the rear end moving around mid-corner" as you say - doesn't mean the same driving style. Both can want for the same characteristics, but without having the same style.
失败者找理由,成功者找方法

Nando
Nando
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2012, 02:30

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

Generally they have the same driving style. There´s not that many raw styles to begin with, in those people differ slightly but the base is the same.

Not sure what you mean by tires.
"Il Phenomeno" - The one they fear the most!

"2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth."

User avatar
raymondu999
54
Joined: 04 Feb 2010, 07:31

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

Tyres and cars will naturally gravitate to a single style that can maximise them. For example, maybe the Mercedes, actually - to drive at its maximum, needs to be driven the way Hamilton drives a car. Maybe because of the car's characteristics, the car is intrinsically not able to achieve its optimum laptime with Rosberg's driving style.

The same with tyres.
失败者找理由,成功者找方法

Nando
Nando
2
Joined: 10 Mar 2012, 02:30

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

I´m not so sure about that.

One, because cars change and so they change how the tires affect the car.

If we look at Alonso and Massa for example, two completely different driving styles, Alonso puts on lock, let the car slide a little bit then the front end grips and away he goes.
Massa is much more fine in his driving, much less brutal.
I think Alonso even runs more steering ratio then any other driver. More steering ratio allows more aggressive-ness with the wheel without sending all of it into the car.

One destroyed the other in the first half then vice versa.
There´s too many variables because we are humans and tracks are so long that you can gain or loose time on different places depending on your own natural driving style that it´s impossible to say "this driving style gets the most out of the car"
"Il Phenomeno" - The one they fear the most!

"2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth."

User avatar
siskue2005
70
Joined: 11 May 2007, 21:50

Re: Information that Drivers can carry over to a team

Post

Nando wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:He can take setups of pirelli tyres to Merc
Merc have no clue how to setup their car for the Pirelli tyres
It´s two completely different cars. You can´t just transfer a setup and expect it to work on your machine.
atleast, they would know which direction to take
it is not 100% different from car to car
more of like atleast 40% same