About Vettel overtaking a Toro Rosso

[FormulaFast]

Cam and Wesley,

Are you writting that really you can see a green flag there inside the red circle? Wow... fantastic imagination, but someone should demonstrate the legallity with realistic evidences, not supposed and imaginated green flags. Yellow flags (circuit and Vettel cockpit) are so clear to close the case talking about supposed and not demonstrated green flags.

In the other hand, others pro-Vettel are explaining that the zone was clearly under yellow flags but Vergne was driving so slow, sufficient reason to overtake so the objective is to give the championship to Vettel, the way is not important...

I would like to see this green flag or know the reason of this abnormal speed, but currently the overtake is NOT LEGAL.

Regards

[antrock]

Andrew Benson @andrewbensonf1
Ferrari trying to establish whether there is enough evidence to protest Sebastian Vettel for overtaking under yellow flags. Story soon

[Pup]

I don't think you can do that on the Wednesday after the race.

Can you?

EDIT, I guess you can...

If, in events forming part of an FIA championship, a new element is discovered, whether or not the stewards of the meeting have already given a ruling, these stewards of the meeting or, failing this, those designated by the FIA must meet… summoning the party or parties concerned to hear any relevant explanations and to judge in the light of the facts and elements brought before them.

The period during which an appeal in review may be brought expires on 30 November of the year during which the decision that is liable to review has been handed down, if that decision is likely to have an effect on the result of a championship.

[LionKing]

currently the overtake is NOT LEGAL.
Regards

"Currently the overtake is NOT LEGAL"
Yep, you got it.

Just what the 2012 Brasilian GP results currently indicate. But maybe RBR would appeal the illegal overtake verdict...

[Guisson]

This was explained in the Autosport forum , you can clearly see the marshall waving the green flag here:

At that time you only trust the marshall , neither LEDs nor the dashbord and that is what sebastian did Actually and if you pay enough attention , in the very begining of the video ,you can see him moving his head a little bit to the right as if he was looking to the left ( to the Marshall's post) so i really doubt he overtook in a non legal situation..keeping his 6th place should be the judgment

[turbof1]

Andrew posted an article at the BBC site as a follow-up to his tweet. I want to highlight this part:

However, on the footage from Vettel's car it is not possible to see clearly the marshals' post that is situated on the inside of the track at the exit of the pit lane - after the yellow light at Turn Three.

It is possible that the marshal there was waving a green flag. If he was, the pass on Vergne would be legal and the result would stand.

A green flag is waved at that post as Vettel passes the Marussia of Charles Pic on lap three, but it is not clear whether it was still being waved on lap four.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

The footage is actually just clear enough about that. Courtesy to cam to capturing the frame, the marshall indeed is waving the green flag.

[FormulaFast]

This was explained in the Autosport forum , you can clearly see the marshall waving the green flag here:

At that time you only trust the marshall , neither LEDs nor the dashbord and that is what sebastian did Actually and if you pay enough attention , in the very begining of the video ,you can see him moving his head a little bit to the right as if he was looking to the left ( to the Marshall's post) so i really doubt he overtook in a non legal situation..keeping should be the judgment

Thanks so much!!! I can see the green flag now!!!... ALELUYA!

So drivers must review each 25 metres to find led pannels, green flags, marshal, floppy markers and whatever green thing to get positive outcome and go ahead at least until next "checkpoint".

Thanks!!

[Sombrero]

What next ? Alonso & Ferrari bad loosers ?

[vall]

if it was a green flag remains to be established. From the footage it is not clear at all. It could be even yellow....it so dark ...

[turbof1]

if it was a green flag remains to be established. From the footage it is not clear at all. It could be even yellow....it so dark ...

If it was a yellow, then it would had been obvious. That colour difference would be detectable. If you watch very carefully, and it of course depends on the settings of your monitor, you can detect a shade of green.

[foxmulder_ms]

Desperate Housewives Season 9 script is being written by Ferrari and Alonso.

[LionKing]

It is about anytime now someone will ask " How do we know that is not a Celtics flag?" ...

[Guisson]

Sombrero
What next ? Alonso & Ferrari bad loosers ?

Not Necessarly ..Although ferrari had some issues this year with "fair play"
They Acted in Instinct ..However it is quite obvious that the overtake was legal , Ferrari might be saying " who knows?"

Cam
The marshall showed a green flag -

These guys are professional enough to respect race controls' descions
I do not think he decided to wave that green flag on his own purpose.( let alone during an F1 final )

[mnmracer]

if it was a green flag remains to be established. From the footage it is not clear at all. It could be even yellow....it so dark ...

If it was a yellow, then it would had been obvious. That colour difference would be detectable. If you watch very carefully, and it of course depends on the settings of your monitor, you can detect a shade of green.

On the onboard footage from Fernando Alonso later on, which was equally grainy, there was no question a yellow flag was being waved. Yellow stands out so much, that it is clear this is not a yellow flag.

And since there is no blue overtaking under yellow either, by deducting it must be the green flag.

[beelsebob]

Ferrari are now considering lodging a protest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638