Williams: Kimi not serious enough

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peroa wrote:BUT

His latest business decisions were crap so I think it is a little bold to to comment on someone else that he isn`t taking business seriously.
And what major business decisions have you had to make lately?!
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With being 8. in the current standings, I think his got a bit more important things to think off than how poor old Kimi will do at Ferrari.

Regarding his decisions, you think they were totally OK?
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hey, who cares what mr frank williams say, kimi is fast on track, he is the iceman, he can drive with an ice fury way of driving, so calm, so fast (F1 Racing last month issue)... it's not his fault if he drinks and stuff... maybe its his way of releasing from stress... you know, his silver arrow car is not that..... well, you know....

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a fan of the red team wrote:it's not his fault if he drinks and stuff...
Whose fault do you think it is? :?
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uhm..... silver arrow?... i don't really know.... sorry......

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pRo wrote:
a fan of the red team wrote:it's not his fault if he drinks and stuff...
Whose fault do you think it is? :?
It's alcohol manufacturer's fault :lol:

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For what I've been told by my teacher of Swedish (Ja!, jag lär mig svenska!) it is common for the guys and gals in Sweden to drink A LOT. This is because their society is very tight and controlling, you must keep in control of your feelings and emotions all the time, no matter how much you're suffering, you don't share your feeling with anyone.
The only exception is when you get drunk, everybody does it and nobody cares what you do while you're drunk, as long as next morning you're using your fake-mask again.

I don't link drinking too much, I've been there and my liver didn't like it. Besides I don't like being the laugh stock and loosing consciousness.

I agree with you guys, it's Kimi's fault and nobody else's. It hinders his progress, but I don't think that he didn't score more points while in McLaren because of that, or that he loose a race because of that. He didn't have the perfect car to win a championship.

As I already post it, I don't care about an old pilot's advice, because they might be in the races and know things we don't know at a technical-political-organizational level, but they know as much as we know at a pilot's private life level, and their best guess is just that, a guess.
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sebbe wrote:...technical-political-organizational level...
I'm not following. What do you mean by that?
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Just to throw some more fuel to the fire...
Raikkonen to lead Ferrari decline - Lauda
Former champion doubting Raikkonen
17/10/06 11:15

Kimi Raikkonen is unlikely to 'plug the hole' left at Ferrari in 2007 and beyond by departing race driver Michael Schumacher.

That is the concern of triple world champion Niki Lauda, who also referred to the likely sabbatical next year of technical director Ross Brawn.

"If these enormous holes are not effectively plugged," Lauda told the Austrian news magazine Profil, "(Ferrari could) go downhill."

Lauda observed that Raikkonen, often criticised for being lazy, is the 'glaring opposite' of seven time world champion Schumacher, who is retiring after sixteen seasons.

He said of 27-year-old Kimi: "He wants to step into a fully prepared team and worry about nothing.
But to succeed Ferrari needs the kind of leadership that Schumacher could deliver."

Lauda predicts that, in the Raikkonen era, development of the 2007 Ferrari could begin to decline after the first half of the coming season.

He said: "After six months it will become clear if Ferrari has a future or not."
Let's analyze this...
We all know what the departure of MS is going to be for Ferrari. The modern Ferrari Team has been built around him, and that’s one of the reason of MS’s success. You don’t need to be a good F1 pilot to say that...
Don’t even mention the departure of Ross Brown, nobody, not even MS would be able to fill that hole. Why would we hope for Kimi to do so?

I don’t know if Kimi wants to step into a “fully prepared team” and win races and championships, that’s a bold statement from Mr Lauda.

It is obvious that Ferrari’s power is going to decline, their Pilot #1 and Technical Director are leaving, what do you expect?
“After six months it will become clear if Ferrari has a future or not."
Well, you sure are one outstanding fortuneteller Mr Lauda if you need 6 months to know for sure whether Ferrari is going to keep its winning performance or go down the hill…

And please boys, don’t hate me becouse of this post; but as I’ve told you before, I’ve had enough of this old pilot’s point of view and advices to new pilots. They are not smarter than us, they just have the microphone.
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sebbe wrote:
...technical-political-organizational level...

I'm not following. What do you mean by that?
That there's a lot going on in a F1 team and the F1 company itself and we don't know about it because we're just expectators.
It's not only about the technical improvements, but also the political backstabbing and alliances and the organization of a F1 team and its relationship with the rests of the teams and F1 managers (such as our dear Mr Mosley).
Did it help?
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Kimi has BALLS!

I don't think he'll need to have Michael's leadership abililties because I don't think Michael is leaving. It's not like Ferrari is going to forget how to build a fast reliable car after MS retires from driving. I'm sure they have a deep enough talent pool to cover Brawn in his absence. Whoever it may be might not have a recognizable name like Ross, but they aren't putting just anyone in there. As for driver feedback, they have Massa and whoever number three is. Massa is good, and will do well, but he doesn't have Raikkonen's balls.

And that is the wild card. With a new technical director and a new driver, Kimi isn't going into the same team, so he doesn't have to be a MS clone for it to work.

Besides, I like Kimi, he reminds me of James Hunt. With Michael out of the car, I might like Red again.

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sebbe wrote:I don’t know if Kimi wants to step into a “fully prepared team” and win races and championships, that’s a bold statement from Mr Lauda.
Who wouldn't?

If you gave every driver a chance to choose between Renault and Toyota, I bet most would choose Renault, because it's a "fully prepared team". Even if Toyota would be a challenge with more than enough financial support to make it #1.
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