Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

[FrukostScones]

Probably the dumbest thing they could possibly do.
My excitement for 2014 just died.

more power would have been better to keep the lap times low (AMUS says the cars would have bee 5 sec slower than today without a change)

[Nando]

Agree fully,

The dream would be less then Monza downforce and a solid 1000 bhp on tap.

Throw the green image crap out the window, throw the BS KERS system out the window, remove the ridiculous DRS system.
Slap on some proper tires that are built to hold for higher slip angles and maybe, just maybe we can regain the glory days of Formula 1.

I really hope there will be a breakaway series in the future...

I just can´t believe they decided to keep these aero regs... it´s precisely the thing that holds back racing in Formula 1 so we are forced to use KERS, DRS and tires designed to be crap.

[wesley123]

I dont really see the real problem with keeping these regs. However engine regs and mainly mechanical regs just will make usre that by 2014 everyone will use a similar design and we pretty much run a single spec series. On engine side there isnt much difference, on aero there isnt much difference and the same goes for mechanical stuff. It is gonna be dull as f*ck(as far as it isnt already). Maybe they should call it Formula Pirelli since the only true difference is the one who can handle the pirelli's the best for the weekend.

[Cocles]

What is this specifically referring to? I assume they're still dropping the noses down for safety reasons, so does this just affect the narrower front wing and the limit on the angle of the rear wing?

[King Six]

I don't know why everyone is so upset. I'm glad F1 isn't turning into GP2 for 2014. The V6 engines are enough slowness for my liking. The tiny wings and neutered aero regulations would have made things far too slow. Especially considering the budget. Mark Webber was talking about it all the way in 2011. The cars are too slow.

[Timstr]

What is this specifically referring to? I assume they're still dropping the noses down for safety reasons, so does this just affect the narrower front wing and the limit on the angle of the rear wing?

No they're not. The decision is for aero specs to be that of 2012, so high noses.

[McMrocks]

Throw the green image crap out the window

For me Racing can never be green. Racing means to drive with fossil fuel around a track just to know who is the fastest. => Racing is senseless. It can never be green. And I know some people race with gases, but I hope this will not be in F1 some day

[wesley123]

Throw the green image crap out the window

For me Racing can never be green. Racing means to drive with fossil fuel around a track just to know who is the fastest. => Racing is senseless. It can never be green. And I know some people race with gases, but I hope this will not be in F1 some day

it might never get really green, but it can get greener. Formula 1 states it wants to get greener, but does no effort to achieve so. It shoves engines down everyones throat, and forces them to do such and such. And everyone knows that greener, much greener things exist, which would be feasable too. Just take an example at FSI technology, Audi back then stated a 6% reduction in fuel consumption, and a gain in horsepower and torque, well if you tune it to not give that power gain you might at well reduce sonsumption by 10%. But no, you have to use these and these old technologies.

Also increasing weight is a bit opposite to wanting a green(er) formula. For me F1 is done, I prefer LMP's now, by far.

[Nando]

It´s just BS this green stuff.

When the oil tankers and airplanes start running on actual green sources of energy THEN we can start talking about F1 being green.

But right now, F1 uses over a season as much fuel as ONE airplane does from NYC to Tokyo.
It´s just the most ridiculous thing ever. "ohh KERS, it´s soo green" yea they forgot to tell you they shipped the batteries across the whole world to build that KERS system.

It´s just one massive deception that it´s green. Bit like a fart in space.

[wesley123]

It´s just BS this green stuff.

When the oil tankers and airplanes start running on actual green sources of energy THEN we can start talking about F1 being green.

But right now, F1 uses over a season as much fuel as ONE airplane does from NYC to Tokyo.
It´s just the most ridiculous thing ever. "ohh KERS, it´s soo green" yea they forgot to tell you they shipped the batteries across the whole world to build that KERS system.

It´s just one massive deception that it´s green. Bit like a fart in space.

It indeed is, and it is just mainly done as a way to promote itself. Just like every company does, and if you dont you might already file for bankrupcy. This going green thing is bogus everywhere, and as long as oil companies are the biggest part of world economics it will stay that way. Carbon neutral, green, it all means nothing, but it sounds great.

In the past years F1 has branded itself as so much greener, but has put in no effort at all to actually do so, as a matter of fact it did otherwise. I mean, how does an engine freeze even make sense when you are trying to get 'greener'?

[Nando]

Agree fully,
F1 should simply buy into the scam of where you can buy yourself out of your pollution.
Carbon tax or whatever stupid name they have given it.

At least the brainwashed majority would get off their backs on being green.

[ajdavison2]

...But right now, F1 uses over a season as much fuel as ONE airplane does from NYC to Tokyo.....

Is this a true fact? If it is that's a brilliant statistic

[Nando]

...But right now, F1 uses over a season as much fuel as ONE airplane does from NYC to Tokyo.....

Is this a true fact? If it is that's a brilliant statistic

I can´t prove it but it´s the number i always keep hearing throughout the years.
Hell we can make it 20 trips. It´s still outrageous.

Just to put into perspective. There´s about 90,000 flights every single day..

This is one single day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4ycfgXxwoo

some more,

A plane like a Boeing 747 uses approximately 1 gallon of fuel (about 4 liters) every second. Over the course of a 10-hour flight, it might burn 36,000 gallons (150,000 liters). According to Boeing's Web site, the 747 burns approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile (12 liters per kilometer).

And some more,

During a typical season a Formula One team will use over 200,000 litres of fuel for testing and racing, and these can be of anything up to 50 slightly different blends, tuned for the demands of different circuits - or even different weather conditions. More potent fuels will give noticeably more power but may result in increased consumption or engine wear. All of Formula One's fuel suppliers engage in extensive testing programmes to optimise the fuel's performance, in the same way any other component in the car will be tuned to give maximum benefit. This will likely involve computer modelling, static engine running and moving tests.

Seems to be about 1-2 flights worth of fuel for a whole season including testing.

[Tommy Cookers]

the FIA has new rules for 2014 F1 that are stated to act as a flagship for 'greener' road car engines by improving fuel efficiency 35%, achieved by having a hard limit on fuel quantity (rate)
this is a 35% improvement on current (naturally-aspirated) engines that have never been required to be fuel efficient

for exactly 100 years the FIA has been discouraging fuel efficiency
from 1914 to 2013 GP/F1 racing has had a hard limit on engine capacity, and no (effective) limit on fuel quantity
(except for 1988 turbocharged engines only)
prior to 1914 there was no limit on engine capacity, but a limit on fuel consumption (of 9.4 miles/gal UK)

2014 will truly be the end of an era !

[WhiteBlue]

2014 will truly be the end of an era !

A fuel limited formula opposed to an air limited formula has been discussed by the experts for more than 10 years before the introduction will finally happen in 2014. There are practically only advantages to a fuel limited formula. Nevertheless particular interests of certain stake holders have delayed the introduction by many years. Once we get used to it we can expect a fiercer engineering competition and more entertaining developments from F1. That is beside the effect that F1 will become more attractive to the global automotive industry. So with a realistic perspective this change is long overdue.

Comparisons between the fuel use of F1 cars and air planes are not really helpful in my view. F1 does not change the formula to save 100,000 L of fuel. That isn't the purpose of the regulation. The purpose is to utilize and promote technologies that are meaningful for manufacturers, useful for the society and to reduce the exposure of F1 to environmental critique.