Alonso voted driver of the year by team bosses

[raymondu999]

Perhaps it may be a less controversial idea to simply repost the Autosport results. I must say the landslide victor wasn't unexpected, though I personally didn't expect such a margin. Nor did I expect Kimi to be so close to Hamilton. Having said that I didn't expect Hulkenberg below Webber/Button either, nor Button to be so high above Webber.

[mnmracer]

Well, it makes sense if you consider it's based on the normal points system. Say everyone thinks Alonso deserves a 10, and Vettel deserves a 9.9, it's really close between them, but there will be a 84 point gap.

With the knowledge that 8 bosses voted for Alonso 1st, I've tried to figure out how the drivers ranked.
Of course this is only a guess, but there are only so many ways you can reach those points over 12 votes.

Fernando Alonso: 8 times 1st, 3 times 2nd, 1 time 3rd
Sebastian Vettel: 3 times 1st, 3 times 2nd, 1 time 3rd, 2 times 4th, 3 times 5th
Lewis Hamilton: 1 time 1st, 3 times 2nd, 4 times 3rd, 2 times 4th, 3 times 5th, 1 time 7th
Kimi Räikkönen: 3 times 2nd, 6 times 3rd, 1 time 4th, 2 times 5th

[Cylinder]

Lol, Alonso dominated that vote, biggest margin ever

Nothing more to be said really, If Ferrari honestly thought there was a better driver out there, Alonso wouldn't have the position he does now.

Highest paid driver in the world.

In the best team in the world, the team nearly ALL drivers dream of driving for.

I'm just proud he drives for our team to be honest, he's the best thing to happen to us in years.

PS. I disagree with the team bosses on one thing.

Hamilton > Vettel all day everyday.

[raymondu999]

I'm just proud he drives for our team to be honest, he's the best thing to happen to us in years.

You own Ferrari?

[Cylinder]

Alonso getting quite a bit of praise of late

Andrew Benson:

if one is forced to pick a yardstick for modern-day F1 drivers after the 2012 season, it would be hard to look beyond Alonso after the year he has just had.

[raymondu999]

While I do agree that Alonso's 2012 season was quite the benchmark seasn performance,

Andrew Benson

Meh.

[Nando]

PS. I disagree with the team bosses on one thing.

Hamilton > Vettel all day everyday.

My take as well.

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Kimi (you could make an argument to put him higher for his relentless consistency)
5. Button/Webber etc

Frankly Vettel seemed to struggle quite a lot this year in Qualifying when the car wasn´t absolutely perfect for him.
Bit like a Button esque driver but much quicker over a lap when the car is perfect, or close to perfection.

Alonso and Hamilton will take what they got and simply deal with it.

[Mafia]

You are so biased that you don't care that one interesting thing to take away from the big picture for instance is that our perception of this era of Alonso/Vettel/hamilton is pretty much shared by the team bosses. No, the first and only thing you can do, is bitch that Vettel tops some list.

Well since i cant downvote and also since you are taking this to me personally ill have to answer you one more time.How you come concluding i am biased? Also,how come your perception is shared with team bosses when they nominate Alonso as the best and you come with statistics to steal some of the spotlight for Vettel.Something similar happened on another thread started by you not long ago IIRC.Anyway im not intrested in going on with this anymore,feel free to downvote/report or whatever...Some people will share the same opinion with me some wont but it seems you are the biased around here not me.

+1

[Cylinder]

Frankly Vettel seemed to struggle quite a lot this year in Qualifying when the car wasn´t absolutely perfect for him.
Bit like a Button esque driver but much quicker over a lap when the car is perfect, or close to perfection.

The truth.

This is how i look at things.

"If I could have any driver @ Ferrari to deliver me world titles, who would I pick"

Alonso would be choice 1, Hamilton a close second.

I know they can win in the best cars, but I also know if i develop a poor car, these two are the likeliest to get the max out of that car they are given.

At Ferrari we don't make the best f1 cars anymore, we need a driver who can take what he has to the utter limit and perhaps put the car in places it shouldn't be, we are not a red bull with a newey like genius designer and a competent team principal, so we need our driver to both LEAD and INSPIRE the team and then deliver on track.

This is why I prefer these two names.

[Cylinder]

Can we add Mark Hughes to the list please.

Another vote for Alonso as driver of the year, Hamilton in second.

And the ASUMS races by race driver ratings.....


1. Fernando Alonso 8,70)
2. Sebastian Vettel 8,25
3. Lewis Hamilton 7,95
4. Nico Hülkenberg 7,20)
5. Kimi Räikkönen 7,15

[raymondu999]

Sorry, what does ASUMS stand for?

[Cylinder]

I just thought i'd do some MnMRacer style Analysis of the numbers posted in here.

Well, if you take Vettel's ranking number on all of these polls and then add them together.......this is what you get. Vettel was ranked 2 by AMUS, 2 by autosport driver rankings, 2 by team principals....in all there of these alonso was ranked number 1, there for Alonso only gets 3 points, Vettel 6, therefore Vettel is the better driver....anyone who disagrees is biased.

[Juzh]

PS. I disagree with the team bosses on one thing.

Hamilton > Vettel all day everyday.

My take as well.

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Kimi (you could make an argument to put him higher for his relentless consistency)
5. Button/Webber etc

Frankly Vettel seemed to struggle quite a lot this year in Qualifying when the car wasn´t absolutely perfect for him.
Bit like a Button esque driver but much quicker over a lap when the car is perfect, or close to perfection.

Alonso and Hamilton will take what they got and simply deal with it.

Oh, will they? how about qualis in australia, belgium, texas, brasil.. And alonso didnt struggle in quali? button's got nothing on vettel in quali unless he's in a considerably quicker car. 2011 suzuka is a good example of this.

Nice insights into prevoius years results mnmracer.

[Nando]

Oh, will they? how about qualis in australia, belgium, texas, brasil.. And alonso didnt struggle in quali? button's got nothing on vettel in quali unless he's in a considerably quicker car. 2011 suzuka is a good example of this.

Nice insights into prevoius years results mnmracer.

If you want you can lay out all Qualifying teammate numbers, HAM/BUT - ALO/MAS - VET/WEB.

it should be pretty clear after that. Besides, where did i say Button was quicker over a lap then Vettel?
I said the contrary actually. Just that they are very similar in that the car needs to be pristine for them to do work.

There´s plenty of evidence to suggest that Hamilton and Alonso can take a bad car and put it in places it does not belong,
We have yet to see Vettel take a dog and everyone being "wow now that was a seriously good lap".

We only say that when we are talking about Poles and the car does exactly what he wants.

nothing wrong with that it´s just a different type of driver.
I know if i had a team, Ham or Alo would be the only two guys i would want. Right here right now it would be foolish to not choose Alonso frankly. He´s simply the best of the field, in his prime and just ruthless but in a controlled manner.

[iotar__]

Alonso won with a big margin? Doh. Apart from that the list is more about the final points standings than drivers' performances separated from cars but OK, a bit pointless (pun) but nothing worth arguing about. So let's do it anyway, for some drivers at least.

1. Button at 5. I can't find another explanation than the fact that F1 team principals are predominantly British to put him at 5. That and maybe 2011 season reputation or some statistical anomaly (?).

His season was rather average and there's no way he was the top 5 driver in 2012. Some bad races, form slump in the middle of the season, unremarkable overall. Yes, he did win some races, but only when McLaren had the best car. Webber's wins (good comparison, second driver from one of the two best teams) were more impressive, against tougher competition and required something more IMO. In most normal races Button was soundly beaten by Hamilton and outqualified like 90% of the time (estimation out of my head, did not check). Again, unlike Webber who was at least a match for Vettel in qualifying, Yet I don't see, nor expect Webber to be in the top 5.

2. Rosberg in top 10 - must be a joke, there are serious doubts if he was even better than his team-mate - grandpa detoritating reflexes - Schumacher. If it's based on a one race win let's put Maldonado instead, at least he had to work harder for it.

3. Hulkenberg. Everyone's darling recently and "new kid on the block" in 2012 and thus getting rather overrated. A bit like Perez after Malaysia. Fine season, and he if you rate DiResta (I do) you must also give credit to NH. Two problems. 1. Brazil showed that there's a difference between fighting for the win and fighting for sixth place. Hulk failed the test with two blunders. Car was good enough, I think, and leaving aside completely ridiculous penalty. Further proof that's a two-tier Formula 1 when it comes to penalties. 2. If the season halves were reversed impression that he somehow was much better than DiResta would not be there. DiResta's top performances, Monza, Bahrain?, Canada were as good as Hulkenberg's. "As good as your last race"

4. Perez - apart from impressive podiums he made just about every mistake in the book and on top of that was very consistent and inventive at doing them. It's a bit of a mystery how he got away with that - journos' and worthless-public-opinion's outrage/verbal diarhea-wise. Perhaps the same way only DiResta (Britain) and Hulkenberg (Germany) escaped "Alonso in FI would be winning ....". mantra.