Hulk to Red Bull in 2014?

[jamsbong]

Helmut Marko again huh? This guy's comment is quite intrusive isn't it? Nevertheless, he is one guy who speaks honestly about what he thinks. No filtering or censorship.

What he says about Mark is quite true. As the championship progresses towards the end of the season, the competition becomes tougher. This is when you have turn on your afterburner; light the midnight oil; go the extra mile, etcs. Mark seems to have no afterburner available. He still performs at the same level as the start of the season. Vettel, on the other hand, seems to thrive on enormous pressure. You can see Mark Webber weakening in the final few races of 2010, then followed by a year long the depression in 2011. He recovered in 2012 but repeat the same thing again in the second half season. I wonder if 2013 will be like 2011 for Mark??? Hmmm....

In some ways, Massa is like that too. He is also an emotional man. It is fine to be passionate and emotional, but he can't seem to separate that from his job. This affects his results.

On a side note, it is interesting to see that Alonso has great interests in Marko's words. I wonder if these two will create a battle of psycological bashing?

[Tamburello]

According to sources Helmut Marko wants the Hulk to replace Mark Webber in 2014. Mark's lack of support for Vettel in Brazil 2012 could have been the straw that broke the camel's neck.

Really, I thought Mark let Vettel through quite easily? Unless by 'lack of support' you mean not seeking and taking out Massa.

[WhiteBlue]

I wonder if these two will create a battle of psycological bashing?

I think they have done this for some time. Remember the Vettel to Ferrari debate which was kicked off to unsettle Vettel at a time when he was under great pressure. Marko IMHO will take the horse whisperer on and shield Vettel by doing that. Seb needs to focus on his driving and nothing else. The two have realized that and will operate accordingly. That way all the flak will explode over Marko's canopy while Vettel can present a clean look to the media.

[WhiteBlue]

Unless by 'lack of support' you mean not seeking and taking out Massa.

You need to ask this to Flavio Briatore and Helmut Marko who provided the original quotations. I have not and will not criticise any particular action.

[Tamburello]

Unless by 'lack of support' you mean not seeking and taking out Massa.

You need to ask this to Flavio Briatore and Helmut Marko who provided the original quotations. I have not and will not criticise any particular action.

So what particular action or non-action on Webber's part in Brazil do you think they had in mind?

[Vasconia]

latest from helmut marko
"It seems to me that Webber has on average two races per year where he is unbeatable, but he can't maintain this form throughout the year," Marko said.
"And as soon as his prospects start to look good in the world championship, he has a little trouble with the pressure that this creates.

more on:
http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/07139

He should not say this in public, but its truth, Webber is a good driver and in some tracks he is excelllent(Barcelona,Monaco,etc) but he has problems to maintain the level and he doesnt perform under pressure(see 2010 season finalle).

These little details mark the difference between the good drivers and the winnners, another good example was Coulthard.

[jamsbong]

Agree. Like I said in the previous post, he (Marko) speaks the truth without censorship or filtering.

One thing I have realized, is that Alonso is not only the best all around driver on the grid, he is able to multitask and be a politician too. I wonder if he could go for a run as a political leader. Let say the election would be held during a race and he would make some speech over the pit-radio. AND.. Still end up on a podium at the end of the race.

[jamsbong]

One thing I will say about Marko is that he is not biased towards Vettel at all. The Redbull documentary revealed that Marko is a man who pushes everyone to the limit. Vettel describe him that way and he also says the huge pressure (that he dislike) turns out to be a good thing on hindsight.

The documentary:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMVac2n ... ture=share[/youtube]

Another clue is the 2011 Silverstone race. Horner asked Webber to hold the position when Mark tries to overtake. After the race, Marko actually encourages Mark to be that way.

[LionKing]

According to sources Helmut Marko wants the Hulk to replace Mark Webber in 2014. Mark's lack of support for Vettel in Brazil 2012 could have been the straw that broke the camel's neck.

Really, I thought Mark let Vettel through quite easily? Unless by 'lack of support' you mean not seeking and taking out Massa.

Webber moved quite a bit inside at the start of the race and pretty much blocked his teammate while he let the Ferraris on the outside He ended up compromising his own and his teammate's situation...

[AlpineF1]

In a way this driver change would annoy me as Mark And Sebastian seem to get on fine and the scales been tipped over one races mistake is a little unfair, but I am relieved too as the relationship between them two is cat and dog.

[jdlive]

Agree. Like I said in the previous post, he (Marko) speaks the truth without censorship or filtering.

One thing I have realized, is that Alonso is not only the best all around driver on the grid, he is able to multitask and be a politician too. I wonder if he could go for a run as a political leader. Let say the election would be held during a race and he would make some speech over the pit-radio. AND.. Still end up on a podium at the end of the race.

He's definitely a lot better at everything psychology-related, than he is as a pure driver.

[jdlive]

And why do I constantly get negative repped for voicing what are quite often, shared opinions? A bit childish to go negative rep everything that doesn't float your personal boat.

[CMSMJ1]

And why do I constantly get negative repped for voicing what are quite often, shared opinions? A bit childish to go negative rep everything that doesn't float your personal boat.

Did you happen to mention Hamilton in a bad light?

Marko is correct, Webber is an eternal underperformer. A bit like Hamilton although probably less talented.

Oh..yes you did.

Sorry chap, there are some prize bellends on here who cannot quite understand that you can voice an opinion that may differ from theirs.

It is a shame but the OP is about Hulk..and now it seems to be a Webber shitfest.

[jamsbong]

Well, it is kind of related to Hulk actually because Hulk will get the seat if Webber leaves. Webber will leave if he chooses to so or he performed badly (below expectation). So more bad news off Webber means more chances Hulk with join RB.

[CMSMJ1]

I think Webber is the best man for the job.

RB don't want an equal driver line up - they surely could have had Lewis if he was going to leave McLaren?

Vettel is primus inter pares at RB and it works for them.

Hulk would never be allowed to challenege IMO.

Also, the 2x germans in the team would not quite be, dare I say it/.... Cool enough for Red Bull marketing!#

They need a south american!