McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes

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Isn't that the part that Whitmarsh said it didn't fail once in 15 years or something like that?
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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stefan_ wrote:Isn't that the part that Whitmarsh said it didn't fail once in 15 years or something like that?
It is.

Whitmarsh:
"Not a good start. We had same problem last year in Abu Dhabi. Mercedes modified the part but it seems it didnt bring much...."

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these are new wings under the nose for mclaren

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Image “The force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded”: [Obi Wan Kenobi]

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They didn't put that on at the launch, so something must be special about these vanes (except of course that they have 3 slits). Look very refined.
#AeroFrodo

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Last edited by stefan_ on 05 Feb 2013, 13:47, edited 2 times in total.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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different front wing to launch, now the end of year spec. I know the inside flaps (adjustable) are much lower, but it seems there is a partition added. was there there before?

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ringo wrote:Image
I notice that the pullrods allow the use of wider A arm member cross sections for downforce gain.
A push rod passes through the tip end of the "A" of the upper A arm, the smaller end with less space. As can be seen on the car on the left.
This means the arm width of the 2 members at the wheel end has to be reduced to accommodate the pushrod passing through. The pushrod definitely interferes with the small area at the upright/wheel end of the A arms. See the smaller upper arms on the Mp427. Compare them to the lower arms as well...

For the pull rod now, the rod goes from under the tip of the A, so you can make the arm width as wide as you want. The rod doesn't pass through the plane of the upper A arm. It is attached underneath.
When it passes down toward the lower A arm it goes to the open end of the "A" which has a lot of area so there is no compromise and the arms can still be made as wide as possible. The pull rod itself can be made thick if needs be for aero gain since it doesn't pass through any narrow gaps like a pull rod.
Note that the upper arms are equally as wide as the lower arms on the 28.
So as you can see there is a no compromise approach to arm cross section width and thus, suspension member aerodynamics.

The decision to go with pull rod is definitely an aerodynamic one on many fronts:

More surface area on the A arms for aerodynamic exploitation.
Less obstruction on the side of the chassis,
Less obstruction on brake duct aerodynamics and area efficiency
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Less obstruction? or just a more benficial alignmentof the wake of the pullrod vs the wake of a pushrod?
turbulence coming of the more horizontal pullrod won't interfer with the wake coming off the other suspension members. Maybe this has the effect of the airflow behind the suspension retaining velocity?

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Image “The force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded”: [Obi Wan Kenobi]

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the mount of the front suspension looks extremely high no, only ferrari comes close, which ofcourse makes sense since they share the same concept, but not even rb has that much angle

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 287.34.jpg

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Anyone else notice they obviously haven't got Jensons de-mister working properly?

His visor is fogged to hell in one of those three hi-res pics.

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That's just the removable strips.
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

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Have anyone noticed that letter "E" is missing from Vodafone near nose section where the panel is fixed.Maybe they will test without the panel sometime later during the test.

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Or someone forgot to put the "e" on that nosecone.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985